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Doc, how does this trial fit on the weirdness scale....1 to 10....1 being boring, normal trial.... 10 being legal 3 ring circus complete with clowns?
 
Gatorbreeze said:
Doc, how does this trial fit on the weirdness scale....1 to 10....1 being boring, normal trial.... 10 being legal 3 ring circus complete with clowns?
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I give it an 8.3.

The prosecution's case pretty much established the defense case for them. They really didn't have to put Rittenhouse on the stand or even present much else. This should have been evident from the beginning, since the original charging documents also laid out these facts. In itself, that's pretty bizarre, but we saw something similar with the Zimmerman case.

On the defense side, the lead defense attorney, Richards, hasn't seemed all that keen on objecting to a lot of the prosecutor's tactics. Maybe that's due to him reading the jury and making a strategic decision not to prolong the trial, but it seems like the judge had to step in a few times when RIchards wasn't doing his job. The second-chair defense attorney, the bald guy, was much better.

The judge did yell at the prosecutor quite a bit. Like I said earlier, it's not that unusual for a judge to yell at an attorney, but in this case (1) it was multiple times; and (2) he really deserved it - he did cross the line a few times, in my opinion, and he knew he was doing it. I think the only reason this case hasn't been declared a mistrial yet is that the judge doesn't want the media to blame him for tossing it out. And I know the judge has gotten some flack on social media for referencing biblical stories and ordering lunch and things like that, but that's all pretty normal stuff - it's only the Twitter crowd who are outraged about it. His evidentiary rulings were not out of the ordinary, either.

The defendant taking the stand was pretty strange. The evidence stood on its own without his own testimony, so why he insisted on testifying is beyond me (you may recall, Zimmerman did not take the stand, and he didn't have any video evidence like Rittenhouse does). He didn't do too bad, but his breakdown was odd - and of course his detractors are shouting that they were "crocodile tears." I'm not so sure. I think he has PTSD or he was having a panic attack. If he were trying to garner sympathy by crying, I don't think he would have presented with the big deep breath sobbing like he did.

The witnesses weren't that crazy, all things considered. Grosskreutz didn't do himself any favors, and I think the two guys who operated the car dealership perjured themselves, but you get all kinds of weird testimony during the course of a trial. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, even where the witness has no bias or reason to lie, so when you have people with shady motives, you can see where there's going to be some inconsistencies.
 
Evil gator said:
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1459183984768864257?s=21
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That's funny, but to Toobin's point, I think there is something to be learned from that perspective.

If a baby-faced white kid like Kyle Rittenhouse can be railroaded in a pretty white suburb like Kenosha, imagine what happens to other defendants in other places. Corrupt cities like Baltimore or rural backwaters in Mississippi? I'm sure there are lots of cases we don't hear about on the news where everyone assumes the defendant is guilty because he's black or lives in a shitty part of town or whatever, and the prosecutor gets away with some of the things that have happened in this trial.

I think we need to be open to the idea that people with a lot less means than Kyle Rittenhouse get shafted by the system with regularity.
 
Evil gator said:
Uh https://twitter.com/drgjackbrown/status/1458964076353130528?s=21
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I was just going through this guy's tweets and it's amazing how he never actually posts clips illustrating his point - it's always a still frame. He also doesn't analyze any of the other witnesses or the prosecutors.

(never mind that this is all pseudoscience, anyway - modern day phrenology).
 
Evil gator said:
Well sure

But at the same time you have big blue cities not prosecuting criminals at all
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Of course, but I don't know how much of that was going on prior to 2020. Probably some in San Francisco and Portland. The rest of the country was probably business as usual.

All other facts being the same... if Kyle Rittenhouse was black, would he have been prosecuted at all?
 
Haven't really been paying attention to the Arbery trial, but yesterday the defense attorney asked that Al Sharpton be removed from the courtroom, because he felt that the presence of high-profile black activists (who are apparently coming in one after another to sit with the family of the deceased) is intimidating.

I mean, I kind of see his point (the jury has already signalled to the judge that they're worried about their identities leaking), but the optics of it aren't great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyRf0m6PKLg
 
Juggs said:
I just watched the clip where the prosecutor grilled Kyle over playing Call of Duty, implying that playing a video game makes you a murderer :facepalm:
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Yeah that was fucking retarded.
 
https://babylonbee.com/news/new-game-call-of-duty-rittenhouse-lets-you-defend-your-home-from-a-horde-of-bloodthirsty-communists
 
https://twitter.com/maxnordau/status/1459224006050172933?s=21

This is another area the media failed - he wasn’t going to some random place to kick ass
 
So this is weird. I don’t know if it’s real, but are celebs just copying each other? Do they use the same social media manager?

Pn6ZNDd_d.webp

(that’s not the Morgan Freeman you know, by the way, just a minor celeb with the same name)
 
Calling most of them celebrities, even "minor" ones is being generous. But yeah, sounds like some concerted effort to be retarded.

Let's live in a country where self defense is murder and being a millionaire is slavery.
 
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