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Guess I’m stuck w my Scalia thing
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Ha juggs you’re right most actually DEP in Florida has been granted 404 permitting authority - one of only 3 states. And you’re right, the idea of fucking up pristine nature is what the enviros want you to believe but most times it’s an old farm pond or ditch that is causing problems.
And this all makes building a home or store or anything take forever and cost more and we all pay for unelected bureaucrats to bless plans on our own property using Kennedy’a ridiculous test
And this all makes building a home or store or anything take forever and cost more and we all pay for unelected bureaucrats to bless plans on our own property using Kennedy’a ridiculous test
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Ps this would be fine if trump had been re-elected because a reasonable rule a friend of mine wrote was in place and the DOJ would have defended it.
Now it’s chaos for more years
Now it’s chaos for more years
Evil gator said:
Seriously, only 3 states have that authority? That seems stupid to me that most states rely on the f'n Feds to determine such things...their view is too narrow based on an alleged bigger picture. States have a much better idea of how and why there will be any impacts on their own district.
And this is an example of why engineers have to pass the PE and register for every state they work in
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You’re saying the army corps of engineers fucks things up? No way.
But agreed that to me is the biggest problem with enviro statutes is the lack of delegation to state and local gov. It’s dumb for water but esp ridiculous with endangered species which are entirely regional in nature. The laws all went into effect in the past when state agencies were small or nonexistent. They really all need to be updated to allow more state authority but to some environment is a religion so we have feds with zero local understanding with unlimited power.
But agreed that to me is the biggest problem with enviro statutes is the lack of delegation to state and local gov. It’s dumb for water but esp ridiculous with endangered species which are entirely regional in nature. The laws all went into effect in the past when state agencies were small or nonexistent. They really all need to be updated to allow more state authority but to some environment is a religion so we have feds with zero local understanding with unlimited power.
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This confirms my long held belief that the left has just as many crazy conspiracists as the right. Y’all laws and our constitution are hitler
https://verdict.justia.com/2022/01/24/the-supreme-courts-stealth-attack-on-expertise-helps-pave-the-way-for-authoritarianism
https://verdict.justia.com/2022/01/24/the-supreme-courts-stealth-attack-on-expertise-helps-pave-the-way-for-authoritarianism
The essence of the problem right there.Evil gator said:
Not to mention, once the feds have power in anything, good luck getting it back.
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I’m hoping that some of the upcoming cases that SCOTUS continues to push back on this.
And if read that article, giving the federal government less power is exactly how hitler took over
And if read that article, giving the federal government less power is exactly how hitler took over
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DocZaius said:
its interesting everyone forgets that koch brothers didn't support Trump.
the reddit thread I got this from is a horror show of people who don't know or care about the constitution
Constitution? What Constitution?
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law professors mostly seem like douchebags. in what society as a lessening of government control led to totalitarianism? so much dumb.
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Sounds about right
https://twitter.com/anopensecret/status/1485962664723501059?s=21
https://twitter.com/anopensecret/status/1485962664723501059?s=21
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The founder of Black Lives Matter Memphis has been sentenced to six years in prison for illegally registering to vote after pleading guilty to felonies in 2015.
Pamela Moses, 44, voted illegally six times since she pleaded guilty to evidence tampering, forgery, perjury, stalking and theft under $500, seven years ago.
The activist is now claiming she was unaware she was still on probation, which lasted seven years, and believed her voting rights were reinstated in 2019.
'I did not falsify anything. All I did was try to get my rights to vote back the way the people at the election commission told me and the way the clerk did,' she said at her sentencing hearing on January 26.
Judge Mark Ward accused Moses of 'tricking the probation department' to illegally obtain the right to vote.
He said: 'You tricked the probation department into giving you documents saying you were off probation. After you were convicted of a felony in 2015, you voted six times as a convicted felon.'
However, Moses argued that when she pleaded guilty in 2015, no one told her she didn't have the right to vote.
The University of Tennessee graduate, who received a degree in political science from the school, found out she was still on probation in 2019 and after trying to run for mayor. After a judge confirmed it, she visited a probations officer to make sure the her probation was correct. The officer then provided the activist with a certification of completion, which she turned in to receive her right to vote.
The mother-of-two told the Guardian last year: 'They never mentioned anything about voting. They never mentioned anything about not voting, being able to vote…none of that.'
At the time, Tennessee authorities should have taken her off the rolls, but Memphis officials never received the paperwork, the Guardian reported.
She became aware of the problem in 2019 when she tried to run mayor in Memphis and was told she would be unable to due to her felonies. But then officials realized she had never been taken off the registered voter list.
The activist and musician then went to court to see if she was still on probation. Afterward, she went to the probation office to have her sentence confirmed, as she believed it was too long, and an officer signed a certificate saying her probation had ended.
However, days later, a corrections officer wrote an email to an election official saying Moses had not completed her probation and therefore was ineligible to vote, the Guardian reported.
During her trial, prosecutors said Moses knew she was ineligible when she submitted the certificate, as a judge had recently told her she was still on probation.
'Even knowing that order denied her expiration of sentence, Pamela Moses submitted that form with her application for voter registration and signed an oath as to the accuracy of the information submitted,' prosecutors wrote. 'Pamela Moses knowingly made or consented to a false entry on her permanent registration.'
She is now saying that she was 'convicted of altering a document that I didn't even sign,' the Grio reported.
'I did not falsify anything. All I did was try to get my rights to vote back the way the people at the election commission told me and the way the clerk did,' she said in January.
Moses was charged with falsely asserting that her probation ended.
Now, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund is fighting for her, saying there are 'two sentencing systems' in the U.S., as others with similar stories only received probation for voter fraud.
'Those who intentionally committed voter fraud, they are sentenced to probation,' Janai Nelson of the Legal Defense Fund said on MSNBC on Saturday.
'There are two criminal justice systems, two sentencing systems when it comes to these issues and you could not ask for a more stark contrast about justice in our country.'
Moses, who has been in custody since December 10, is expected to appeal the decision.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/memphis-blm-founder-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/ar-AATwi7p?ocid=BingNewsSearch
Pamela Moses, 44, voted illegally six times since she pleaded guilty to evidence tampering, forgery, perjury, stalking and theft under $500, seven years ago.
The activist is now claiming she was unaware she was still on probation, which lasted seven years, and believed her voting rights were reinstated in 2019.
'I did not falsify anything. All I did was try to get my rights to vote back the way the people at the election commission told me and the way the clerk did,' she said at her sentencing hearing on January 26.
Judge Mark Ward accused Moses of 'tricking the probation department' to illegally obtain the right to vote.
He said: 'You tricked the probation department into giving you documents saying you were off probation. After you were convicted of a felony in 2015, you voted six times as a convicted felon.'
However, Moses argued that when she pleaded guilty in 2015, no one told her she didn't have the right to vote.
The University of Tennessee graduate, who received a degree in political science from the school, found out she was still on probation in 2019 and after trying to run for mayor. After a judge confirmed it, she visited a probations officer to make sure the her probation was correct. The officer then provided the activist with a certification of completion, which she turned in to receive her right to vote.
The mother-of-two told the Guardian last year: 'They never mentioned anything about voting. They never mentioned anything about not voting, being able to vote…none of that.'
At the time, Tennessee authorities should have taken her off the rolls, but Memphis officials never received the paperwork, the Guardian reported.
She became aware of the problem in 2019 when she tried to run mayor in Memphis and was told she would be unable to due to her felonies. But then officials realized she had never been taken off the registered voter list.
The activist and musician then went to court to see if she was still on probation. Afterward, she went to the probation office to have her sentence confirmed, as she believed it was too long, and an officer signed a certificate saying her probation had ended.
However, days later, a corrections officer wrote an email to an election official saying Moses had not completed her probation and therefore was ineligible to vote, the Guardian reported.
During her trial, prosecutors said Moses knew she was ineligible when she submitted the certificate, as a judge had recently told her she was still on probation.
'Even knowing that order denied her expiration of sentence, Pamela Moses submitted that form with her application for voter registration and signed an oath as to the accuracy of the information submitted,' prosecutors wrote. 'Pamela Moses knowingly made or consented to a false entry on her permanent registration.'
She is now saying that she was 'convicted of altering a document that I didn't even sign,' the Grio reported.
'I did not falsify anything. All I did was try to get my rights to vote back the way the people at the election commission told me and the way the clerk did,' she said in January.
Moses was charged with falsely asserting that her probation ended.
Now, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund is fighting for her, saying there are 'two sentencing systems' in the U.S., as others with similar stories only received probation for voter fraud.
'Those who intentionally committed voter fraud, they are sentenced to probation,' Janai Nelson of the Legal Defense Fund said on MSNBC on Saturday.
'There are two criminal justice systems, two sentencing systems when it comes to these issues and you could not ask for a more stark contrast about justice in our country.'
Moses, who has been in custody since December 10, is expected to appeal the decision.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/memphis-blm-founder-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/ar-AATwi7p?ocid=BingNewsSearch
Shocked. Shocked I tell you!
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"they never mentioned" doesn't really hold water. And isn't it pretty widely known that rights like voting are limited when you're in jail or on probabtion?
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Evil gator said:
I don't specifically know Tennessee law on this point, but in most states, having a felony conviction has traditionally prohibited you from voting for the rest of your life unless you take special action to get your rights restored. That has started to change in the last few years, but I would think Tennessee would keep to the old ways longer than most.
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DocZaius said:
Makes sense. One of my friends finally got them to change the law that raping a family member was okay
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hardly a surprise.
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/San-Francisco-police-linked-a-woman-to-a-crime-16918673.php
I don't really care - if you submit your DNA to the authorities voluntarily, don't be surprised if they use it to link you to crimes you have committed. But the optics are pretty bad, especially for a DA who is already in danger of losing his job for not prosecuting certain crimes and helping San Francisco become even more of a shit-hole than it already was.
I don't really care - if you submit your DNA to the authorities voluntarily, don't be surprised if they use it to link you to crimes you have committed. But the optics are pretty bad, especially for a DA who is already in danger of losing his job for not prosecuting certain crimes and helping San Francisco become even more of a shit-hole than it already was.