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📰News Russia invades Ukraine

So apparently Russia has lost a number of Generals in the field (how's that even happen?) and Putin has "fired" others.....

This army doesn't want to be doing this, they're just scared of Putin. This isn't going to end well for Russia. But the more I learn about Ukraine, I care even less about what happens to them
 
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Juggs said:
So apparently Russia has lost a number of Generals in the field (how's that even happen?) and Putin has "fired" others.....

This army doesn't want to be doing this, they're just scared of Putin. This isn't going to end well for Russia. But the more I learn about Ukraine, I care even less about what happens to them
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Early on they were saying that the generals were on the field to try to help shitty morale. At least 4 of them are dead last count I saw. I don't think that's going to help morale too much :lol:
 
Evil gator said:
the flip side of this is that Putin will just bomb the fuck out of more civilians and destroy cities.
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Well that's all he really has, right? I mean, his military is getting their ass kicked by a much smaller force. His only chance to "win" is to kill civilians and hopefully make him submit or resort to chemical weapons or some other way to kill in large numbers. Right now it looks like a stalemate.

I really don't get the end game here at this point. Russia doesn't have anywhere near the numbers to occupy and it doesn't look like the citizens are gonna just accept it. Ukraine has their own dictatorship, only lightly veiled as a democracy. At the moment, it really looks like the only choices are either Putin retreating and given up or WW3. And I think WW3 may be a bit hyperbolic. China and Russia are allies, but their wishy washy attitude seems to indicate that if Russia did something really stupid....China may be smart enough to let them go down for it and not get physically involved.

Side note - I saw an article quoting Biden about imminent use of chemical weapons. Like I said before the invasion, I swear Biden is instigation this shit. Putin isn't taking this yahoos calls. It's pure fear mongering, like he's prepping America to enter a war we don't need to be in so he can say "I told you so" and justify it.
 
Or stating that Russia is about to start hacking us. It’s a “see I told you they were going to do it” moment instead of being a leader and showing strength.
 
Certainly Biden has bungled a lot of this, and the fact that you had national security, msm and the internet conspire with Dems to bury a now completely verified story about shady dealings of the Biden family with both parties it sadly leads to a logical conclusion that the President isn’t acting in American's best interest.
 
Evil gator said:
Not to mention that the Biden energy policy from day one benefits our enemies and screws over allies and more importantly Americans
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which they've completely doubled down on. The worst things get, the deeper they dig their heels in and refuse to acknowledge reality. The proverbial cutting off the nose to spite the face.
 
"A weak and fractured democracy at home will only embolden our adversaries and invite further aggression" - Hillary Clinton

Oh really? She sure didn't mind doing her best to weaken and fracture our Nation with Trump in office.
 
Apparently the WaPo and NYT have posted articles demanding America send 85,000 troops to the region and NATO do the same. Liberals continue to force this into WW3. How did the SJW's become war hawks?

Every one of these news outlets, all of them, need to stop posting OpEds as news.
 
Juggs said:
Apparently the WaPo and NYT have posted articles demanding America send 85,000 troops to the region and NATO do the same. Liberals continue to force this into WW3. How did the SJW's become war hawks?

Every one of these news outlets, all of them, need to stop posting OpEds as news.
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Yeah it's really weird that the traditionally anti-war people are calling to go weapons-hot against the Russkies. It's not like we'd be invading Grenada or Panama - this is a world power (even if it seems like they're ill-equipped for a conventional war).

Furthermore, I know it's popular to side with Ukraine because they were unjustly invaded, but Ukraine is only a few years away from its last revolution and hasn't exactly been the model for being a good world citizen.
 
DocZaius said:
Juggs said:
Apparently the WaPo and NYT have posted articles demanding America send 85,000 troops to the region and NATO do the same. Liberals continue to force this into WW3. How did the SJW's become war hawks?

Every one of these news outlets, all of them, need to stop posting OpEds as news.
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Yeah it's really weird that the traditionally anti-war people are calling to go weapons-hot against the Russkies. It's not like we'd be invading Grenada or Panama - this is a world power (even if it seems like they're ill-equipped for a conventional war).

Furthermore, I know it's popular to side with Ukraine because they were unjustly invaded, but Ukraine is only a few years away from its last revolution and hasn't exactly been the model for being a good world citizen.
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Yeah, some liberal troll on a gun FB page tried to troll me yesterday when I called him out on his buillshit. Because citizens don't need guns. He immediately jumped to, "You gonna kill a bunch of ruskies" schtick. I flat out, I don't give a fuck about Ukraine.

They are exactly the same as Russia, only smaller and they pretend to be democratic.

As usual, the liberals goose step to whatever Biden and the media tells them to. In this case, it's to cover Biden's ass. Somehow liberals don't care that Ukraine is fighting with neonazis or that opposing political parties were jailed or outlawed.

We're risking WW3 why exactly?
 
What if I told you its possible to realize that Ukraine is corrupt and has issues while still realizing that Russia is far worse and has no business invading and murdering civilians at the same time.
 
Let's no forget the real villian here: Russian backed environmental groups limiting energy production here and and western countries.

No way russia does this with cheap oil, its their only power.
 
Evil gator said:
What if I told you its possible to realize that Ukraine is corrupt and has issues while still realizing that Russia is far worse and has no business invading and murdering civilians at the same time.
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Of course. I'm just questioning our level of provoking Russia since before this even started.
 
I’ve been questioning our f’n with most everyone worldwide, notably the ME. Definitely libertarian leaning on this issue, but likely good reasons we do some of what we do, but we’re operating in the red every year to give hundreds of billions away to people that basically hate us. I know this is a very simplistic view of complex issues
 
Tommy said:
I’ve been questioning our f’n with most everyone worldwide, notably the ME. Definitely libertarian leaning on this issue, but likely good reasons we do some of what we do, I know it’s complex as F, but we’re operating in the red every year to give hundreds of billions away to people that basically hate us. I know this is a very simplistic view
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ukrainians don't hate us though, my husband was there a few years ago and they are very western.
 
Tommy said:
I’ve been questioning our f’n with most everyone worldwide, notably the ME. Definitely libertarian leaning on this issue, but likely good reasons we do some of what we do, but we’re operating in the red every year to give hundreds of billions away to people that basically hate us. I know this is a very simplistic view of complex issues
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Same. I'm not isolationist, but I agree with largely being non-interventionalist. And if we're going to get involved, give us a legit and honest reason, such as "We want their f'n oil". Tell me that and I'm all good.
 
Evil gator said:
Tommy said:
I’ve been questioning our f’n with most everyone worldwide, notably the ME. Definitely libertarian leaning on this issue, but likely good reasons we do some of what we do, I know it’s complex as F, but we’re operating in the red every year to give hundreds of billions away to people that basically hate us. I know this is a very simplistic view
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ukrainians don't hate us though, my husband was there a few years ago and they are very western.
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Fair. No offense to my current lady, but now would be a great time to be looking for a hot Ukrainian bride :lol:
 
I must say for people who have left everything behind and gone without makeup and basic hygiene for weeks and taking care of small children, the women they interview mostly look amazing
 
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