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📰News Russia invades Ukraine

Here’s a shock: If America were invaded, fighting age democrats would flee instead of defend America;

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/yes-if-america-is-ever-invaded-you-must-take-up-arms-and-fight/?fb_news_token=OLOb+rq+x3dk5G1MsRsEGw%3D%3D.9lSikha5EmouqO4uxmDl+O61mIW2HwmvrO5Bkk15LHQVCEA8oNhCa7K6DsoImVERF13ji989CEDGSKBHdwVG8Cdy6WIXYTipHr/92VPAKr/9Hwc0YSTOF2wx7Q/D5vyj55n3+yXe7CaK2ITfr8OVUy8hURlmskGs0zS4L1MSVEEb2GCltWasvKES9wsCBMelewaDmu+WN9Q8VUludqC7ZdS262p+y+KiptMiyh7werqS/gtNiUoHoLQT7MkzzRIbigq9yEhGfiVYXR2oIwK9T83XCDlgRc6Wuqoivfr821s1JaGCPK9hz2PwPBmunEDOHYnYXCXciTEIuZWPe907jciVNFOaOVdBpxIsx8jEZWE%3D
 
Yeah it’s not the only reason, but we’re sort of used to people in Syria or Africa getting brutally killed for no reason. The Ukrainians look like us maybe hotter, dress the same, appear to have similar values. It’s easier to sympathize.

That said obvi it’s global stability, Democracy in Europe, and a country we talked into giving up nukes vs our main enemy for 50 years. It’s not all about race but that’s a part of it, so truer than most bullshit that dumb bitch says
 
Fair. But we supported Afghanistan vs. Russia also. I think it has more to do with who the President is than race. Obama admin gave Crimea to Russia, not a Pub.We could say that we're concerned about Ukraine because of the Biden's sketchy ass financial ties to them.
 
Juggs said:
Fair. But we supported Afghanistan vs. Russia also. I think it has more to do with who the President is than race. Obama admin gave Crimea to Russia, not a Pub.We could say that we're concerned about Ukraine because of the Biden's sketchy ass financial ties to them.
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Yeah I’ve heard that too. That’s a problem when you have a presidents family members making $$$$ off a connection to a lifetime politician, and a media cover it up as “disinformation”

I think a lot of Biden’s fuck ups are more stupid ideologues and his ineptitude, but the fact this is out there means people are going to have that doubt and it further erodes trust in institutions.
 
I think the worldwide ramifications of this draws the interest and concern more than the color of the people's skin.

A nuclear power and 70 year enemy conducting the largest land war in Europe in 80 years is a little more worrisome than hutus/tutsis, or azerbaijan/armenia. Not that that shit isn't horrible, but it just doesn't really have the chance to draws us all into WW3 like this situation.
 
Irish Mike said:
I think the worldwide ramifications of this draws the interest and concern more than the color of the people's skin.

A nuclear power and 70 year enemy conducting the largest land war in Europe in 80 years is a little more worrisome than hutus/tutsis, or azerbaijan/armenia. Not that that shit isn't horrible, but it just doesn't really have the chance to draws us all into WW3 like this situation.
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exactly. I don't think its wrong to say that appearance plays a factor though.
 
Evil gator said:
Irish Mike said:
I think the worldwide ramifications of this draws the interest and concern more than the color of the people's skin.

A nuclear power and 70 year enemy conducting the largest land war in Europe in 80 years is a little more worrisome than hutus/tutsis, or azerbaijan/armenia. Not that that shit isn't horrible, but it just doesn't really have the chance to draws us all into WW3 like this situation.
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exactly. I don't think its wrong to say that appearance plays a factor though.
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It isn’t wrong to relate more to people who look the same as you do, it’s natural. The people who complain about other doing it also defend their culture and relate to people who are like them as well. It doesn’t mean that we don’t care about the plight of people who are different it just hits different. It’s more of seeing/fearing yourself in the same position when it happens to similar people rather than just feeling sorry for someone else’s plight. But race baiters are going to use anything they can to push their narrative.
 
RIP said:
Next up: Cluster Bombs and Chemical/Bio Weapons. Huzzah!
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Speaking of biological weapons....Apparently there's been questions if Ukraine has biological weapons to which the the left called conspiracy theories. And now the white house admits at the least, Ukraine has biological research labs and they're worried the Russians are currently looking for them.
 
Kind of interesting to go to kremlin.ru and read the phone call read outs. Everybody is calling Putin like WTF, dude? and he sets them straight on the real situation over there. Evidently Ukraine was ready to take Donbass and this is all a defensive action.
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Arab Republic of Egypt Abdel Fattah Sisi.

march 9, 202215:30
They discussed the further development of the strategic partnership between Russia and Egypt, including the implementation of major joint projects in nuclear energy and industry. Both sides also expressed interest in continuing close cooperation in the tourism and agricultural sectors.

On request Abdelfattah Sisi Vladimir Putin spoke about the reasons and goals of the Russian special military operation to protect Donbass, informed about the work carried out by Russia in negotiations with Ukrainian representatives. The President of Egypt thanked the Russian side for its efforts to evacuate Egyptian citizens from the conflict zone.

It was agreed to continue contacts at various levels.
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At the initiative of the South African side, Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Republic of South Africa Cyril Ramaphosa.

march 10, 202215:45
The leaders exchanged congratulations on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Russia and South Africa and confirmed their intention to further develop the Russian-South African strategic partnership. In particular, the readiness to expand cooperation in the trade, economic and humanitarian spheres, as well as in the fight against the spread of coronavirus infection, was noted. The importance of continuing cooperation within brics and other international platforms was emphasized.

On request Cyril Ramaphosa The President of Russia informed about the reasons and goals of the special military operation to protect Donbass, as well as about the situation at the talks with representatives of the Ukrainian authorities. The President of South Africa expressed support for the ongoing political and diplomatic efforts.

It was agreed to continue contacts.
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Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the Republic of Finland Sauli Niinistö.

march 11, 202217:00
Vladimir Putin explained in detail the reasons for the Russian special military operation to protect Donbass, its goals and objectives, and also informed about the progress of ongoing negotiations with Ukrainian representatives.

The Presidents paid special attention to humanitarian issues and measures taken to ensure the safety of the civilian population, the organization of humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians from the zone of clashes.

It was agreed to remain in contact on Ukrainian issues and the Russian-Finnish agenda.
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Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with Federal Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Olaf Scholz and President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron.

march 12, 202216:35
In connection with the questions raised by the interlocutors regarding the humanitarian situation in the areas of the special military operation to protect Donbass, Vladimir Putin informed about the real state of affairs. In particular, numerous facts of gross violation by the Ukrainian security forces of the norms of international humanitarian law were cited: extrajudicial reprisals against dissenters, taking hostages and using civilians as human shields, placing heavy weapons in residential areas, near hospitals, schools, kindergartens and the like. At the same time, nationalist battalions systematically disrupt rescue operations and intimidate civilians during evacuation attempts. Vladimir Putin urged Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz to influence the kiev authorities so that such criminal actions are stopped.

The President of Russia spoke in detail about the series of negotiations between Russian and Ukrainian representatives that took place in recent days in video format. In this regard, the leaders of the three countries considered some issues related to the agreements being worked out on the implementation of the well-known Russian requirements.

It was agreed to continue contacts on Ukrainian issues.
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Juggs said:
So Polod invokes 9/11 and Pearl Harbor in an attempt to guilt trip America into fighting their war for them. Interesting.
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Well those are the closest ideas we have of being attacked, even though they were one offs vs constant shelling and invasion. Other than Red Dawn obvi. He would have the migs if he’d dropped that.
 
Evil gator said:
Juggs said:
So Polod invokes 9/11 and Pearl Harbor in an attempt to guilt trip America into fighting their war for them. Interesting.
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Well those are the closest ideas we have of being attacked, even though they were one offs vs constant shelling and invasion. Other than Red Dawn obvi. He would have the migs if he’d dropped that.
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Yeah I get it, but the whole message I heard was kinda incoherent. Trying to prey on our sympathies but tying that into being the world power who needs to take care of the rest of the world. Really Ukraine, did you help us after 9/11? The whole thing just came off as weird instead of just saying help us unless you want to keep giving countries to Putin. He was really putting Biden on the spot....which is a terrible idea since he's, well, Biden.

I'm really only loosely following it because it's hard for me to give a shit if Putin has Ukraine or not. I just don't give a shit. As far as I can tell, if NATO so much as creates a no fly zone, we're starting WW3. So either we let Ukraine fend for themselves, more or less, or we start a world war and hope Putin doesn't feel backed in enough/crazy enough to nuke someone. Not much in between from what's being reported.
 
Well Biden has followed what Congress and everyone else is pushing, so it was a smart move for him to get weapons because they can make Biden look bad if they're mostly in agreement and he's pussing out.

Well the cold war started with Russia just rolling into or not leaving a bunch of countries. We're still better off with a democracy there, even if its corrupt, vs. a communist dictatorship.
 
Bleeding Russia dry is always good, so feeding Ukraine with weapons im all for. I think we should let Finland and Sweden in NATO immediately
 
It’s hilarious how many troops Russia is losing in comparison. Same WW2 mentality. Throw men in the way, who cares how many die. Sucks for them though.

Is bleeding Russia fry a good thing? I don’t think there’s a good answer without knowing Putin is sane enough to not nuke someone if he loses his shit
 
Juggs said:
It’s hilarious how many troops Russia is losing in comparison. Same WW2 mentality. Throw men in the way, who cares how many die. Sucks for them though.

Is bleeding Russia fry a good thing? I don’t think there’s a good answer without knowing Putin is sane enough to not nuke someone if he loses his shit
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Saw a headline that said Russia may have lost 15,000 men so far. That is insane if true.
 
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