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Juggs said:
The last 2 part season drags a bit. The whole Vito/gay story takes up way too much of the season and it really wasn't needed. There was already tension between Phil and Tony without it.

On that note, I just watched the episode in S1 where Chris shoots the donut guy in the foot. Every time I rewatch, it annoys me that the customer in that scene is Vito and they recast a very recognizable, morbidly obese guy in the same show. HBO seems to like doing that.
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Yeah the gay Vito thing just wasn't necessary or even interesting. Definitely could have cut it.

As far as the same actor playing a different role, i had the same reaction to the same actor playing the guy that killed Wild Bill in Deadwood showing up in a later season as Hearst's guy.
 
Irish Mike said:
Yeah the gay Vito thing just wasn't necessary or even interesting. Definitely could have cut it.

As far as the same actor playing a different role, i had the same reaction to the same actor playing the guy that killed Wild Bill in Deadwood showing up in a later season as Hearst's guy.
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Jack and Walcott.

And then using the Lanister kid that was killed by Karstark as the new Tommen a season later.
 
I almost forgot how much I fucking hate Janice. Every scene she's in, you just want to punch her in the cooter.

In old ass GOT news, Lena finally says pissed about how Cersei was killed off and hopes to meet D&D again to tell them how they fucked up her character. Add that to Jon, Dany, and Varys who are disappointed with that shit show of a final season.
 
Juggs said:
I almost forgot how much I fucking hate Janice. Every scene she's in, you just want to punch her in the cooter.

In old ass GOT news, Lena finally says pissed about how Cersei was killed off and hopes to meet D&D again to tell them how they fucked up her character. Add that to Jon, Dany, and Varys who are disappointed with that shit show of a final season.
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Aida Turturro did an awesome job making us hate Janice so much. :lol:

They fucked up just about everyone's ending except maybe The Hound.
 
Irish Mike said:
Aida Turturro did an awesome job making us hate Janice so much. :icon-lol:

They fucked up just about everyone's ending except maybe The Hound.
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They did, but damn did they have to make every aspect of her, her stories, everything so insufferable.

Of the controversial endings, absolutely. I'm good with Gendry, Sansa, and Arya (sans Night King killing). It's just funny that people defended the writing for a long time, but now that contracts are ending, they're finally able to speak their minds :lol:
 
Swamp Kings on Netflix, holy mfn shit, what a good documentary on the UM era @ UF. That is one hyper intense sob, no wonder he burned out. Brandon Siler & Spikes were / are bad ass muthas.
 
Ahsoka premier last night, 2 parts. Been waiting for this for a long time. Most people never bother with Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Rebels because they're animated, but they're literally top 5 of anything made for the Star Wars universe.

Some minor issues with the transition of the Rebels characters from animated to real actors, but overall pretty solid. As a casual viewer who didn't watch those shows, it was solid, though you'd be a little lost without the 4 seasons of backstory that matter to the show. Particularly the important of Thrawn and Ezra.
 
LOL, that's not what I expected at all.

The retconning of the insane amounts of material written after 4-6, it's sad watching the super nerdy fanboys try to explain away why so and so wasn't mentioned in a New Hope. No, no....it's not that. It's because the prequels and everything else was written 20-30 years after the originals FFS.
 
Juggs said:
LOL, that's not what I expected at all.

The retconning of the insane amounts of material written after 4-6, it's sad watching the super nerdy fanboys try to explain away why so and so wasn't mentioned in a New Hope. No, no....it's not that. It's because the prequels and everything else was written 20-30 years after the originals FFS.
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You can fill a novel with all the shit from the original movie that no longer makes sense.
 
Irish Mike said:
You can fill a novel with all the shit from the original movie that no longer makes sense.
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Pretty much. Ahsoka was literally fighting with the Rebellion during the original trilogy along with Kanan, another jedi. Yet the movie tells us Luke and Leia are the only hope. Although that may be because it was unknown if Vader or his offspring were truly the chosen one to bring balance to the force....but that may also be retconning since the "chosen one" didn't originate until later as well.

Ok, I tried to help it out. I can't.
 
Juggs said:
Pretty much. Ahsoka was literally fighting with the Rebellion during the original trilogy along with Kanan, another jedi. Yet the movie tells us Luke and Leia are the only hope. Although that may be because it was unknown if Vader or his offspring were truly the chosen one to bring balance to the force....but that may also be retconning since the "chosen one" didn't originate until later as well.

Ok, I tried to help it out. I can't.
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They fucked things up right out of the gate with Empire Strikes Back. If you're hiding Luke from Anakin SKYWALKER, why hide him on Anakin's home planet and use the fucking name Skywalker. And why would Obi Wan continue to use the Kenobi name AND dress in Jedi robes.

Because Lucas was making it up as he went along, never had a 9 part(Oops 6 part) story. Obi Wan's robe in Star Wars were just desert clothes that were retconned into Jedi Robes in Phantom Menace.

And let's not bring up Lucas having Luke and Leia make out.

And when Obi Wan says "That boy is our only hope..." WTF asshole, you KNOW Leia is a fucking Jedi too.
 
Irish Mike said:
They fucked things up right out of the gate with Empire Strikes Back. If you're hiding Luke from Anakin SKYWALKER, why hide him on Anakin's home planet and use the fucking name Skywalker. And why would Obi Wan continue to use the Kenobi name AND dress in Jedi robes.

Because Lucas was making it up as he went along, never had a 9 part(Oops 6 part) story. Obi Wan's robe in Star Wars were just desert clothes that were retconned into Jedi Robes in Phantom Menace.

And let's not bring up Lucas having Luke and Leia make out.

And when Obi Wan says "That boy is our only hope..." WTF asshole, you KNOW Leia is a fucking Jedi too.
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Not exactly, but close. Obi didn't know if Leia would be a Jedi or not. She never showed any powers even in the retconned Kenobi series that I'm aware of. The only example of Leia using the Force was Ep 8 where she flew back to the shuttle and then they mentioned Luke trained her after the end of the war for a while. Now maybe Yoda could sense that Leia was Force sensitive, not just Luke and Obi Wan couldn't. That's the best argument you can make for the stupid retconning of giving Force powers to her after that Obi/Yoda exchange.

Technically Yoda's robes were pretty similar to Obi's also, even if his looked like a potato sack because he was an actual puppet :lol:

Now the first part, why would they go to Tattooine and not change Luke's name ? Their excuse, I mean, "explanation", is that Anakin fucking hated Tattooine. He bitched about the sand in Phantom Menace. It's where he was a slave, where his mom died, where he slaughtered the sand people. Anakin, before or after Vader, never had any intention of stepping foot on that planet again. He also thought his kids died and had no reason to ever look for kids that didn't exist. The real question is, despite the Emperor telling him that they were all dead, why couldn't he ever sense their presence? He might of talked himself out of it. I can't remember if it's in the theater release of Revenge of the Sith or if it's an alternate ending or if it was in Tales of the Jedi, but there's a funeral of Padme where she's carried down a street. They intentionally made her look pregnant so everyone thought the babies did also. So there was a BIG effort to retcon why Vader never looked for his kids. :nerd:
 
Juggs said:
Not exactly, but close. Obi didn't know if Leia would be a Jedi or not. She never showed any powers even in the retconned Kenobi series that I'm aware of. The only example of Leia using the Force was Ep 8 where she flew back to the shuttle and then they mentioned Luke trained her after the end of the war for a while. Now maybe Yoda could sense that Leia was Force sensitive, not just Luke and Obi Wan couldn't. That's the best argument you can make for the stupid retconning of giving Force powers to her after that Obi/Yoda exchange.

Technically Yoda's robes were pretty similar to Obi's also, even if his looked like a potato sack because he was an actual puppet :icon-lol:

Now the first part, why would they go to Tattooine and not change Luke's name ? Their excuse, I mean, "explanation", is that Anakin fucking hated Tattooine. He bitched about the sand in Phantom Menace. It's where he was a slave, where his mom died, where he slaughtered the sand people. Anakin, before or after Vader, never had any intention of stepping foot on that planet again. He also thought his kids died and had no reason to ever look for kids that didn't exist. The real question is, despite the Emperor telling him that they were all dead, why couldn't he ever sense their presence? He might of talked himself out of it. I can't remember if it's in the theater release of Revenge of the Sith or if it's an alternate ending or if it was in Tales of the Jedi, but there's a funeral of Padme where she's carried down a street. They intentionally made her look pregnant so everyone thought the babies did also. So there was a BIG effort to retcon why Vader never looked for his kids. :nerd:
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:lol:

Even if he wasn't looking for him, I would think you wouldn't want to risk the word getting around that there was a kid on Tatooine with the same name as Darth Vader...or some old dude named Kenobi.

It is all just stupid, half thought through shit.
 
Irish Mike said:
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Even if he wasn't looking for him, I would think you wouldn't want to risk the word getting around that there was a kid on Tatooine with the same name as Darth Vader...or some old dude named Kenobi.

It is all just stupid, half thought through shit.
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No one knew who Vader was. Obi, Yoda and much later on, Ahsoka. Basically everyone else thought Anakin Skywalker died in Order 66. There was no one to tell on him to. Plus, most people were never sure the Jedi even existed. 10,000 in the old days for an entire galaxy and Geonosis that began the Clone Wars killed off most of the Jedi. By the end of the years long war, they were largely a legend. Hence why Han Solo didn’t believe they were real and thought it was just an old Hindu religion even though he’s old enough. So no one even knew who Skywalker was outside the Senate and Jedi.

But in general, yeah it was half thought through. Although Lucas did say a long time ago he wrote it like that on purpose and always planned to go back. The problem was he was a shit writer. Great creativity, but poor writer. So most of everything else Star Wars was written by other a couple other dudes decades ago and just approved by Lucas. Everything but the sequels that is. Disney fucked those all up on their own just completely disregarding everything else :lol:
 
Look who's dancing for Lucasfilm now, you monkey. :lol:

At most it was 18 years between Order 66 and A New Hope. No where near enough time for the Jedi to fall into legend.

The Jedi had a fucking temple on Coruscant at most 18 years ago but no one knows if they even existed? :nerd:
 
Irish Mike said:
Look who's dancing for Lucasfilm now, you monkey. :icon-lol:

At most it was 18 years between Order 66 and A New Hope. No where near enough time for the Jedi to fall into legend.

The Jedi had a fucking temple on Coruscant at most 18 years ago but no one knows if they even existed? :nerd:
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They were already a legend, if they even knew they existed, to most planets. Lucas' galaxy has over 3 billion systems, each with countless planets. The Jedi never went to the Outer Rim or to many parts of the galaxy, which is why the Pikes, Hutts, and other syndicates ruled everything. Now this part is only in the books/comics written decades ago, but the Emperor went on a massive disinformation campaign. What's not seen in the movies, but is seen in Clone Wars, is that the Palpatine's campaign worked. Coruscant largely blamed the Jedi for the war, but even then, most of Coruscant lived dozens or hundreds of levels below the city of rich Senators and the Jedi Temple. Even most people on Coruscant, let alone other planets, had never seen a Jedi. It's basically like the surface of Coruscant is Martha's Vineyard and everything below the surface was Compton. It was made illegal to even talk about the Jedi.

Back to using Han as a point. He flat out says he's travelled all over the galaxy and has never seen anything that would make him believe it was real. He was a teenager when Order 66 happened and to him, it was always a myth.

Look at it from an apocalyptic viewpoint they touch on in Walking Dead, Last of Us, and there are examples of it in actual history. When a major event happens, the focus is on survival, not talking about legends that make no difference in the commoners life. It's quite easy for people to not know fact from fiction within just a generation. In The Last of Us, the scene about where she freaks out when she sees a downed plane and asks if it really flew in the air. And that's a few miles outside of her own city, let alone lightyears away. Most people in the galaxy were like Luke, never left their small planet, let alone had a ship with a hyperdrive to fly lightyears to a system where there's a 1 in a trillion chance of running into a Jedi.
 
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