🔫Guns all new guns thread

[Evil gator]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/11/business/visa-mastercard-american-express-gun-purchase-code/index.html

have we discussed how credit card companies will start tracking gun purchases now? I wonder what sort of pressure this administration exerted on these companies to get them to perform an activity that only congress could require (and maybe not even that). With the DOJ telling social media to block the hunter biden story and any covid narrative not approved by the regime, its pretty alarming how government is coercing companies to do something the government can't because of the pesky constitution.

 

[Irish Mike]

ATM's in every gun store : Coming Soon!

 

[Evil gator]

i get that for in store purchases people will use cash if not already, but what about online orders?

 

[Irish Mike]

i get that for in store purchases people will use cash if not already, but what about online orders?

It'll just lead to the creation of a 3rd party service that will process the credit card payment then issue a credit to a reloadable "gift card".

 

[Evil gator]

i get that for in store purchases people will use cash if not already, but what about online orders?

It'll just lead to the creation of a 3rd party service that will process the credit card payment then issue a credit to a reloadable "gift card".

Yeah I guess sort of like PayPal - though it lists the vendor name on my cc statement? Or gun stores could call themselves “house of dolls”

 

[Irish Mike]

i get that for in store purchases people will use cash if not already, but what about online orders?

It'll just lead to the creation of a 3rd party service that will process the credit card payment then issue a credit to a reloadable "gift card".

Yeah I guess sort of like PayPal - though it lists the vendor name on my cc statement? Or gun stores could call themselves “house of dolls”

Titty bar I used to go to came up at "BT Beverages" on the bank statement.

 

[pg.]

Booby Trap?

 

[Irish Mike]

Booby Trap?

:numby:

 

[Juggs]

i get that for in store purchases people will use cash if not already, but what about online orders?

It'll just lead to the creation of a 3rd party service that will process the credit card payment then issue a credit to a reloadable "gift card".

Yeah I guess sort of like PayPal - though it lists the vendor name on my cc statement? Or gun stores could call themselves “house of dolls”

Yeah, how it gets onto the billing statement is irrelevant. The banks know what company it's registered as. It's only discrete on the buyers end. I'm not even sure changing the name of a gun store would change this. A lot of the gun companies online have not indicating they sell guns. Plus, buying online, they have to ship to your local FFL dealer, so someone in the loop is going to give it away.

But yeah, I covered this issue in either the political or gun thread. It was 100% on the Biden admin to pressure credit card companies into doing this.

 

[Juggs]

Also, what's not covered in that article is that it even includes fairly low amounts of ammo. Basically anything past a couple of small boxes of ammo is labeled as an "extreme purchase". Many, many of us buy low bulk because it's cheaper. In the last 6 months I've bought orders of 500 and 1000 rounds. That would have me flagged under this. The stupid thing is, a couple hours on the range and you can easily burn through a 1000 rounds.

"The new code will allow us to fully comply with our duty to report suspicious activity and illegal gun sales to authorities without blocking or impeding legal gun sales," Priscilla Sims Brown, President and CEO of Amalgamated Bank, said in a press release Friday.

This is a lie. Illegal gun sales don't happen online. This is tracking all civilians. They refuse to acknowledge that 1) These shooters were 100% legal before they shot places up, the rules won't stop a fucking thing and 2) Current laws already prevent criminals from buying guns. This doesn't do shit to "illegal gun sales". The focus on all what they consider "suspicious activity".....which is on the exact same note as buying a Betsy Ross flag making you a terrorist.

 

[Juggs]

Visa, before caving in, "We believe that asking payment networks to serve as a moral authority by deciding which legal goods can or cannot be purchased is a dangerous precedent".

They're dead on, but caved to the pressure anyway.

One of the best comments I've seen on this is, "This is, once again, Government using businesses to do what the government can't do 'legally'. This allows the REGISTRY list to be 'enhanced' by capturing firearm related data...complete with the buyers home address, CC#, etc. This is another cog in the Registry machine...

...More importantly, it creates a creeping situation similar to Big Tech's monopoly on Free Speech; where credit card companies are encouraged to refuse to allow card holders to use their cards for purchases of guns and ammo."

Fascism.

 

[Evil gator]

I said this in my orig post! kind of. Government is crap. What is happening to this info? is it going to be used to target enemies I wonder?

 

[Juggs]

Oops I typed that 5:30am, obviously I didn't remember what you typed 6 hours later.

It's not at all going to be used to target our enemies because our current laws already prevent that. It'll be used, first, to limit the amount we can spend at once. Then eventually deny whoever they wish. If the credit cards stop letting you use them to purchase, that'll cut down on purchases.

Visa said they had an MMC in the company that prevented them from putting restrictions on any legal purchases. But this being some government level bullshit lets them circumvent company policy.

 

[Evil gator]

yep, you bought a suspicious amount of ammo this week, so no groceries.

In canada they froze the bank accounts of those truckers who protested the absolutely ridic covid restrictions.

 

[pg.]

My main bank is BOA and I read they were giving up transaction records from DC on 1/6 to the fbi. Not as bad as freezing accounts but still bad enough to have me shopping banks. Having trouble finding a right leaning one.

 

[Evil gator]

My main bank is BOA and I read they were giving up transaction records from DC on 1/6 to the fbi. Not as bad as freezing accounts but still bad enough to have me shopping banks. Having trouble finding a right leaning one.

yeah me too. There are now funds that are non-ESG/woke, maybe Daily Wire will set up a bank. Its stupid but these dumb activist Gen Z pushing nonsense

 

[pg.]

Yeah...looked at Chase and then saw them sponsoring some of the drag stuff on libs of tic toc so xnayed them.

Thinking Regions. When I used to visit my former employer's home office in Birmingham, where regions is based, it was about the least woke big city I've ever been to.

 

[Evil gator]

Yeah...looked at Chase and then saw them sponsoring some of the drag stuff on libs of tic toc so xnayed them.

Thinking Regions. When I used to visit my former employer's home office in Birmingham, where regions is based, it was about the least woke big city I've ever been to.

its tough to know, they all seem to have hired activists.

 

[Evil gator]

Wasn’t sure where to put this. Lol city folk angry about red necks taking over

I think it would be rednecks and maybe some gangs

https://twitter.com/krus_chiki/status/1574163949846667264?s=46&t=2SYQn-qzcMkKi_LMYqW4yA

 

[Juggs]

....Why would city folk be angry?

And ultimately, gangs would stand no chance against rednecks. Big picture - I guarantee that rednecks outnumber gangs. And we kill what we shoot at with 1 round and have thousands or hundreds of thousands of rounds. The thugs use an entire magazine and hit everyone and everything but their target and they surely don't have stockpiles like we do.

But I think the real scenario would be that you're right, it would be rednecks and gangs but neither party would want to venture to the other's territory. As far as we're concerned, they can keep their shitty ghetto and they don't want to come anywhere near the woods where they'd have no clue how to survive a single day - and that's without worrying about being sniped

 

[Evil gator]

Yeah I think post whatever shtf scenario happens, esp an invasion, cities run by gangs and scary country people would be an obstacle

This wetlands guy I know is sort of a rough country guy and over drinks I was like “you’re a prepper right” and he went into detail of the shit he has in various caves and his weapons included a sawed off for his petite girlfriend to shoot for her hip.

 

[Juggs]

Yeah I think post whatever shtf scenario happens, esp an invasion, cities run by gangs and scary country people would be an obstacle

This wetlands guy I know is sort of a rough country guy and over drinks I was like “you’re a prepper right” and he went into detail of the shit he has in various caves and his weapons included a sawed off for his petite girlfriend to shoot for her hip.

hahahaha. It's accurate. The prepper community at this point is HUGE. Of course, there's a lot of city preppers. In fact one of them with an awful lot of followers is called City Prepping. Yesterday he released a video discussing how a person can grow a lot of food in a tiny space like an apartment balcony or patio.

While all these moronic city people are sharing their boxes and plant towers and buckets and all this shit, I'm the one who has to chime in and say, "Clearly none of you have ever planted, tended, or harvested a garden. No form of space saving gardening in a 8x12 area will be substantial enough to be a sole source of food for one person, let alone a family. And if we ever did have a SHTF scenario, now matter how well preppped you are....in the city you're fucked. You can't guard your place 24/7, especially if you live on the ground. You'll be looted if not killed within a month

Walking Dead may have gotten this part right with Negan. Gangs would do the same thing, if not simply kill you. The rednecks don't even need to go into the big cities. Small areas like Gainesville surrounded my rednecks, a possibility. But major cities? The necks aren't going anywhere near those. And I've seen or read a lot from country oriented and especially form SpecOps guys who do and discuss the multiple stashes in obscure places to get you from one place to the next thing. I'm sure it's more money oriented, but retired SpecOps guys....there's A LOT of them in the prepper community and with YT channels.

 

[Evil gator]

Yeah I have lots of water a jackery non perishables to last maybe a month or more, camp stoves to cook on, so can be fine in a natural disaster for a while but not societal collapse

 

[Juggs]

Most people won't survive a collapse long term, including all those preppers. Most of them from what I've seen are obese. Gardening among many other requirements of survival are hard and laborious work. If you're not in good shape, you're doomed. But none of them seem to care about losing weight.

I can't help but heckle the people on these prepper channels. They talk about, "stockpile the food and cycle the foods you eat" and then they discuss all this canned corned beef and all this shit that is HORRENDOUS for you. Like fuck you retards, you're gonna give yourself a heart attack eating this crap before you a collapse happens

 

[Evil gator]

Yeah being in shape and knowing some hand to hand stuff is the biggest prep.

The ones who crack me up are the ones looking to move to “safe” countries. Like if the US falls everyone else is fucked and they aren’t going to like an outsider lol