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There's not really evidence. A grave that's unusual is in a site where there's a local legend.....that means nothing. England, Wales, and Scotland all have a few local legends that make Arthur theirs, both burials and births.
 
This has been a regular thing for a few years now. From the Amazon to Mexico, we now know that these societies were massive and some of them at least 10,000 years older than the Mesoamerican tribes we credit for everything.

The Mayans though, look at them blaming climate change. Something we know for a fact about the Mayans is that they had a mass deforestation issue. They plastered their houses, temples, even the roads and courtyards. It made them shiny and fancy. The problem? The plaster was made from ash. How many trees do you think you have to burn to have enough plaster to cover just 1 of those large temples? That's been verified by the age of the trees around these newfound cities. They were abandoned because they destroyed their environment for vanity.
 
Well and weather patterns can change rainfall and water availability. And without sanitation, any cities could be easily wiped out by cholera or other diseases. Primitive societies have a lot of ways of dying out
 
Juggs said:
This has been a regular thing for a few years now. From the Amazon to Mexico, we now know that these societies were massive and some of them at least 10,000 years older than the Mesoamerican tribes we credit for everything.

The Mayans though, look at them blaming climate change. Something we know for a fact about the Mayans is that they had a mass deforestation issue. They plastered their houses, temples, even the roads and courtyards. It made them shiny and fancy. The problem? The plaster was made from ash. How many trees do you think you have to burn to have enough plaster to cover just 1 of those large temples? That's been verified by the age of the trees around these newfound cities. They were abandoned because they destroyed their environment for vanity.
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Maybe I'm mixing up my ancient cultures, but didn't one of them collapse due to bad farming practices? I'm forgetting the details but there was something about making the soil too salty.
 
DocZaius said:
Maybe I'm mixing up my ancient cultures, but didn't one of them collapse due to bad farming practices? I'm forgetting the details but there was something about making the soil too salty.
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That would be a new one for me, the salt. I'd have to assume that was a culture who tried to use seawater to make fertile land? There were varying farming techniques and mistakes. A much older civilization in Peru wiped themselves out by clearing and farming land that created massive instability in the hills around them. What happens when you remove all the trees and deep roots on hills? Erosion, baby. A heavy period of rain, mudslides and flooding, buried a large, productive society due to their own farming practices.

pre-Inca, 10k+ years, created black earth and the descendants still use it today. It's found all around the Amazon where lidar has discovered large cities. But salt....now I have to look into that.
 
I must be mixed up. I can find some articles about salinity causing the farmland in ancient Mesopotamia to become un-farmable and one tribe in Arizona that fucked up and used water from the Salt River to irrigate its crops but nothing about South America.
 
DocZaius said:
I must be mixed up. I can find some articles about salinity causing the farmland in ancient Mesopotamia to become un-farmable and one tribe in Arizona that fucked up and used water from the Salt River to irrigate its crops but nothing about South America.
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Oh, the Sumerians, they may have (it's a theory that's virtually never talked about). I was only thinking about Mesoamerica.
 
Watched most of the Blind Frog Ranch treasure hunt show with a lot of FF. They're searching for Aztec gold in Utah. Legend goes 500 years ago, when they fought back against hte spanish and shipped away their gold to somewhere in now America, they hid it in 7 caverns and boobytrapped it.

This ranch is next door to Skinwalker ranch. Guy finds 7 caverns and 2 miles worth of flooded tunnels under the small mountain his ranch. In one cavern, a box built of logs in the Aztec style. They got a sample, trees were cut down 500 years ago. Turns out the box didn't have gold, but rocks. They pulled out a few rocks (with a lot of trouble....this is like the Money Pit where they spent a ton of money and a lot of difficulty accessing this)

The geologist was hoping the rocks were gold ore. He breaks a rock open....they all had core holes drilled out, filled with gallium. Somewhat of a metal, it looks like mercury and isn't natural. It has to be smelted. It melts in your hand. It was discovered in 1875. And here they have a carbon dated "box" (looks like a cube made of lincoln logs) made 500 years ago, built in an underground cavern and then flooded, filled with rocks preserving a bunch of stuff that shouldn't have existed.

The show is slow and boring at times, but I can't help myself. I assume if anything huge were found, it would hit the news long before the show aired, but I still find it interesting enough to see what happens. Also, fuck them for creating these long, drawn out shows based on history where almost no answers are ever found/given.
 
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