COMPLAINT ABOUT A MODERATOR :-) I know you don't have to do anything, but I just felt strongly enough about this that I wanted to make you aware of my feelings.
See ya in the Pub!
G8RBrave 06-25-2008 08:36 AM
Did the thread get hard deleted? I can't find it.
bakaduin 06-25-2008 08:55 AM
I didnt hard delete it but it looks that to be the case. Now Im just guessing here but perhaps Bari realized he was being a complete jerk and deleted the thread out of embarassment.
Bari has a personality that when he feels hes been wronged he goes into attack mode. This can most readily be illustrated with by his dealings with Radbag.
GatorGrowl 06-25-2008 08:56 AM
I removed his ability to hard delete
Does anyone know of a reason an admin needs the ability to hard delete? If so, I will leave if for those here, but I do not know of a reason to have it.
GatorGrowl 06-25-2008 08:57 AM
79955 BariTubaBone 23:42, 24th Jun 2008 Thread Removed Thread: [Evolution of Dance]
Forum: [The GatorTail Pub]
GatorGrowl 06-25-2008 08:58 AM
I did find out the complainer is a rad member, but is one of the good ones, if there is such an animal.
G8RBrave 06-25-2008 09:13 AM
Bak, maybe you can talk with Bari and see if he can just tone it down a notch. He has a tendency to get a little cutting with his comments, and as a mod that might rub folks the wrong way.
I don't consider this a huge deal, and I think this may be a coordinated effort from Rad's crew, but it does have some merit that we might want to deal with before it gets worse.
bakaduin 06-25-2008 09:24 AM
I will definitely talk to Bari as soon as I see him on AIM.
I believe there is no reason for the hard delete. The soft delete is much better to allow a checks and balances system of other mods.
bakaduin 06-25-2008 10:22 AM
Well I see Growl was right. He just deleted an obvious baiting post by some faces who havent posted here in over 6 months.
G8RBrave 06-25-2008 10:26 AM
They must be bored.
bakaduin 06-25-2008 09:16 PM
Got this forwarded to me from radbag:
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Originally Posted by GatorGrowl
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Originally Posted by radbag
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Originally Posted by BariTubaBone
Did you get your summoning, alright? You and your boys? Glad to see you, my friend. Cheers....
david - this is a pm i got from your moderator. he's obviously trying to antagonize me.
i've not visited GC in quite some time and heard there was some photos from the ladies clinic and wanted to check them out...
please tell 'matlock' to stop harrassing me. i've done nothing wrong for him to initiate me via pm
thank you.
forwarded your comment to an administrator.
baka
i'm sure david forwarded this to you....you've probably received another from davide that was sent to him by PMCGOLDENERA.
i just want to let someone know that i've not even posted in the pub in quite some while...haven't even looked in to be honest. tubey seems to be power tripping on a witch hunt and i feel sorry for him.
just tell him to chill out and that the internet will still be safe for all to enjoy....tell him stephanie would agree.
bakaduin 06-25-2008 09:18 PM
On a funnier note when I saw the stupid thread made by rad crew and saw wegian had posted in it a video of a tuba player after 8 months of not posting I decided to send her a PM.
It said:
Subject: Tisk Tisk
After 6+ months of not posting its a shame you had to post with so much venom.
Her response:
Yeah . . . it's "tsk," not "tisk."
gatornana 06-25-2008 10:07 PM
I've not said anything because I have no knowledge of any of this regarding Bari. Seems like a good guy to me.
After seeing the above PMs....looks like Rad and the others are hassling him. I kind of agree with Shane's take on this.
GatorGrowl 06-25-2008 10:58 PM
Yeah as the day wore on I think Bari was okay in it. I do wish he would not have hard deleted the thread as that would have given us a better picture. I have removed his ability to do that in the future.
Rad's group is after Bari so we will deal with them as needed. I removed Texgator access to the Pub today and he will not be allowed back as texgator.
Got a PM for Aualumna05 whose post generated this. I wrote her a small note when all this broke this morning
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Originally Posted by GatorGrowl
Your name came up in a couple of reports I got last evening. I do not think you did anything wrong, but maybe some took your posts/threads out of context and a pissing match ensued.
My apologies if there were any over zealous actions by anyone.
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Hey,
Thanks for the message. Sorry for all the trouble from yesterday evening. I appreciate your message and apologies, but that's not necessary.
Thanks again for the message, and I do appreciate it. But no hard feelings and no worries.
Have a great night!
-- Christa
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bakaduin 06-26-2008 07:02 AM
I got a very curious PM this morning.
I responded to the previous radbag PM (posted above) by saying I would talk to Bari and tell him to stop bothering rad through PMs. (Something I never intended to do but just to atleast respond.)
This is the PM I got back this morning:
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you don't have to baka....it's not really necessary.
i am sympathetic to your situation in that i understand what position you will put yourself into if you do have a word with him....you can't piss your moderators off by having to have a word with him and in essence, taking a side.
just want to make sure the powers above him are aware that he seems to be a rogue in that no other of your staff seems to have issues with me or any of my other friends...i receive pms/emails from other GC moderators and those are always very cordial and very friendly...nothing of the antagonistic nature as he seems to want to behave...it almost seems as if he's threatened or bothered by having to be the side act of a show that he puts 24/7 of his time into...i actually feel very sad for him.
you know and i know that these things are side hobby....to him, it's the center of his life...if you speak to him specifically about me, he'll be crushed and that's why i believe the best approach is to monitor his activities as opposed to reprimanding him about it...you will see first hand yourself how roguish he really is...no other mods feel as venomous towards us as he does...i feel bad because my known associates are receiving ill treatment because of their affiliation with me...but if you look at it from an outsider looking in, he feels as if he's got some sense of 'entitlement' because he feels as if he's the one who 'works' the most hours on the board...he monitors much more than any other mod...he 'protects' the community with more ferocity...THEREFORE, he is entitled to act like the rules do not apply to him...the rules apply to the others because the others spend a tenth of the time that he does 'patrolling'...the mantra of the pub is "Friends from all walks of life retreat here for tales and brews. Everyone's welcome, whether they're Gators or not. Step right on in, folks, and savor the relaxed atmosphere! --- everyone is NOT welcome and with respects to him and him alone, it is NOT very relaxed.
let's put it this way baka...i've been where you are and i know how this all plays out...i was neither the first in your position and you'll certainly not be the last...i know how the old 'aggressive moderator' vs 'logical, calculated admin' battle plays out...those days of aggressiveness is not needed anymore because there aren't any rival schools posting anymore...we're all gators...i've received emails and pms from many in the pub concerned with your rogue mods attitude and unfriendly behavior...there's no need for the bouncer mentality...he feels as if he's the judge and jury as to who can joke around and who can't...he's gonna get turfed sooner or later and it'd be better if you were just aware of the goings on rather than be the hatchet man at the end...the breath of the pub always prevails...the sentiment from quite a few i've noticed has not been complimentary of him in particular...it's gonna happen...just thought you deserved to know who's lurking about for your position as admin.
G8RBrave 06-26-2008 08:13 AM
More of rad's games. The last time around we were all rogue mods and admins and we were all treating them unfairly. Now, its only bari that he's ever had a problem with?
I think not.
gatornana 06-26-2008 10:28 AM
This does not pass the smell test......I swear Rad and his followers remind me of a cult. Sounds like Rad and his devoted have singled out Bari to get under his skin and inside his head. When Bari reacted accordingly, they pounce and make a complaint he's a "rogue" mod. Bari's young and fell into this. Have there been any other complaints from non-Rad posters? If not, I'd take this with a grain of salt.
Rad's response to Baka is classic manipulation.
G8RBrave 06-26-2008 11:10 AM
First it was Matt, then it was Vanders, now it's Bari. This is what they do. They single out one person then go after him/her.
gatornana 06-26-2008 11:31 AM
I remember, Shane, when Rad became a mod and Admin, he systematically went after fellow mods. He started with Raygator. Remember his nasty, bossy posts on the ME forum. I was done with him and saw him for what he was when he let TN get attacked on SG....and said it was TN's fault for posting on SG rather than stick to his own forum.
Rad's a "rogue" internet sicko.......He and his cult followers remind me of the Branch Davidians....we're the ATF and FBI.....we know how that turned out. [img]{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Ban Rad.
G8RBrave 06-26-2008 12:09 PM
I wasn't around for his attacks on RayGator, but Growl and I have talked about that so I'm in the know on what went on there. It was very similar to what Rad did to me right before he was removed. He basically started trying to find anything he could to undermine me or make me look bad.
He essentially picks people out and tries his best to get under their skin. The difference is he's now recruited an army to do it with him. It is all very strange to me how they follow him.
Frankly, I think his time on GC should probably be over. But, he has a following and I don't want to martyr him either.
gatornana 06-26-2008 12:29 PM
The followers I know of always seemed like very nice people....I'm stunned by their blind following and malicious meanness. They've evidently never had Rad turn on them.
I always played nice and laid low around Rad...didn't want to get on his chit list. He's brutal.
Banning is probably easier said than done.....just my wishful thinking.
GatorGrowl 06-26-2008 01:06 PM
The banning is easy, but the crap that follows is what I worry about. I told Bari yesterday that I would ban them all on his request, but he needed to know they will go after him relentlessly like they did Matt. Sometimes it is best just to ride the waves and deal with it in quiet way, like removing texgator yesterday.
Rad is careful to send him minions in to get banned, but he stays above it.
GatorGrowl 06-26-2008 01:08 PM
Yeah the worse thing I have done on this site is let RayGator get what he got from Rad. I have apologized many times for that and RayGator is as gracious as they come, but that will always sting me that I got duped. I did not wake up until that morning when he started in on Shane the same way he had Ray.
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