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Post by annarborgator »

i agree how the fair tax would stifle the economy...i just don't know how much...i figure spenders are gonna spend...no matter what...don't know if they can carry the rest who are 'miserly' but that's how effectively it would play out....i guess it would depend a lot on how much that fair tax would be.
An interesting idea I've read a little about is the idea of attaching demurrage to the currency and taking the carrying charges and using them to fund the nondiscretionary portion of the budget. The reason I currently am interested in demurrage is the way it would enhance the velocity of the money supply, which is the underlying problem we're seeing right now, IMO (most folks say liquidity, but I don't think so...they've given banks truckloads of liquidity and they are simply hoarding it, thus diminished velocity). I wonder if a monetary system imposing a carrying charge on the currency wouldn't stimulate the economy in a broad way that isn't currently possible. By freeing up the money supply and making the government's cut (i.e. what the PEOPLE give up) a tiny portion that's always being included in every transaction, you spread out the acute negative effects of taxation on the market. You also incentivize the act of putting your money to WORK for you in the marketplace. It'd be better for you to let someone else use your money productively than to park all of it in the bank.

This sort of system would work best alongside multiple complementary currencies, I think. I believe you'd be best served to have a complementary currency backed by some commodity as well as other area or industry specific currencies. The diversity of the system would lend itself to balance by nature.

I dunno, like I said. But I'm interested in systemic ways to enhance the velocity of our money, which seems to be a fundamentally important factor in the health of our economy.
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Post by radbag »

if i'm understanding you right...demurrage as you put it is something that is already deployed.

there is a 'cost of carry' to funds held...banks utilize these overnight rates to their advantage (when it is favorable to do so) when transacting with other counterparties....it involves how 'free' the security that is held might be in the open market, the interest rate of said security, and yield.

it's used though and factored albeit in a minute way as it relates to bonds.
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Post by urapnes »

what's your point gone? a edited radio interview from 2001 is supposed to prove what? we don't hear the questions he answering.

and with the joe the plumber deal, i'm guessing you didn't watch the entire 5 minute answer.
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Post by TTBHG »

Joe the plumber is an asshole.
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Post by mommygator »

Joe the plumber is an asshole.
maybe, but Gone the plumber is not, he's a sweetie.













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Post by TTBHG »

Gone the plumber is one of my favorite posters on this board. Joe the plumber is a liar and an asshole.
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Post by Weegie »

wegg - i make close to 'anywhere' ;D
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Post by GoneFishinGator »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA&hl=en&fs=1



Hey Doc...what do I need to do to get these "youtube" vid's right? Never mind...got it figured out....!!! :D
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Post by a1bion »

I'm learning some crazy stuff about Alaska from this election. Never knew they "collectively own" the oil up there and give out big welfare style checks to their residents from the proceeds on oil sales. Craziness!
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Post by TheTodd »

I know you've heard about that before a1. They gave every resident something like $1200. Talk about income redistribution.
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Post by radbag »

Fox is right on the money.

I look forward to celebrating President Elect Obama on 11/4.

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