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Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:15 am
by DocZaius
http://www.space.com/news/090204-obama-space-weapons-response.html
Obama's Proposed Space Weapon Ban Draws Mixed Response
By Turner Brinton
Space News Staff Writer
posted: 4 February 2009
2:50 pm ET

WASHINGTON - U.S. President Barack Obama's recent pledge to seek a ban on space weapons drew a mixed reaction from experts in the field, with some saying the president might be better off pursuing something more modest and less complex, such as a set of international rules governing space operations.

Arms control advocates nonetheless applauded the statement as a welcome departure from the space policy stance of former President George W. Bush, who rejected the notion of banning or limiting space weapons via treaty arrangements.

"The Bush administration rejected space diplomacy," said Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Henry L. Stimson Center, a think tank here. "We refused to negotiate on any subject that could limit U.S. military options. We have a shift from an administration that was very dismissive of multilateral negotiations [as a whole], to an administration that is open to that possibility if it improves U.S. national security."

Soon after Obama was sworn in Jan. 20, the official White House Web site was updated with a set of policy guidelines including one on restoring U.S. leadership in space. Under the heading "Ensure Freedom of Space," the statement said the White House would seek a ban on weapons that "interfere with military and commercial satellites"; assess possible threats to U.S. space assets and the best military and diplomatic means for countering them; and seek to assure U.S. access to space-based capabilities, in part by "accelerating programs to harden U.S. satellites against attack."

Obama's campaign in 2008 outlined similar goals, saying an Obama administration would oppose putting weapons in space, seek rules of behavior for spacefaring nations and reduce the vulnerability of U.S. space capabilities.

The Bush administration generally opposed international accords that might tie the nation's hands in space. The National Space Policy issued by the Bush White House in 2006 states in part that the "United States will oppose the development of new legal regimes or other restrictions that seek to prohibit or limit U.S. access to or use of space."

Meanwhile, the Pentagon during the past few years carried out or planned a number of experiments that critics charged were thinly veiled tests of space-based weapons. Early last year, with then-President Bush's approval, the Pentagon downed a wayward U.S. spy satellite using a sea-based missile interceptor.

Experts generally agreed that Obama's statement signals a new direction in space diplomacy, but some said it does not carry much meaning in the absence of key details, beginning with a good definition of the term space weapon. Coming up with such a definition is complicated by the fact that any number of conventional military and even commercial capabilities can be used to disrupt or damage satellites.

"Obama is delivering on his promise of more cooperation," said retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. James Armor, former head of the Pentagon's National Security Space Office. "I like the idea of working together more with our allies, but verification of [a ban on space weapons] is very difficult. If you can't verify something, it makes it difficult to build a treaty."

Armor said Obama's statement could have implications for counterspace operations, which is military parlance for the ability to either disrupt or protect space capabilities. "My sense is this may make it a little harder to do counterspace programs, but we weren't doing much of any offensive counterspace," he said. "Most of the Air Force's efforts are in space situational awareness and defensive counterspace."

Theresa Hitchens, director of the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research and a longtime opponent of weapons in space, applauded the White House statement but said that given the difficulty of coming up with an acceptable definition of space weaponry, a better approach would be to seek a ban on certain behaviors.

"I would say this is good starting language," Hitchens said in an interview. "... The problem is most space technologies have multiple uses, so the approach that should be taken needs to look at actions rather than capabilities. For example, a number of nations use lasers to track satellites, but lasers could also be used to attack satellites in space. So we should focus on outcomes rather than trying to ban certain classes of technology."

John Sheldon, a fellow at the George C. Marshall Institute here, said arms control agreements are fundamentally flawed and likely to break down at the exact moment they are needed. He said the United States would do more to protect space security by taking the lead in pressing for informal rules of operation like those used by commercial satellite operators around the world.

"We need to agree on a set of normative practices that will turn into a customary law like we now have on the high seas," Sheldon said. "Most countries obey the law of the sea based only on centuries of customary practice."
There are only a handful of countries, at present, that have or are very close to having space-weapons such as those described. I'd say that the US is at the forefront of such technologies, seein' as how we've actually shot down one of our own satellites.

Should we hobble our own defensive capabilities to foster diplomatic relations with other nations?

Frankly, I want us and us alone to have the most bad-ass weaponry around. I want other countries to be scared shitless that we could shoot down their satellites or point a laser beam at their head of state from hundreds of miles above the earth's surface.

FEAR US.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:49 am
by a1bion
So no weapons between Sean Hannity's ears?

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:58 am
by DocZaius
zing!

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:32 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
Weak on his part.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:43 pm
by TTBHG
I don't really care either way. How many ways do we need to blow up other countries?

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:45 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
as many as we can get, IMO. Doesn't mean we have to use them...but it's always nice to have another Ace in your back pocket, no?

Preventative maintenance.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:51 pm
by TTBHG
An ace for what? If a nuclear bomb that will wipe a country off the face of the map for about a hundred years isn't an ace then I don't know what is.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:10 pm
by DocZaius
An ace for what? If a nuclear bomb that will wipe a country off the face of the map for about a hundred years isn't an ace then I don't know what is.
We're too scared to use our nuclear weapons unless someone uses theirs first.

Other nations (like the Rooskies) are scared that the USA will become too powerful. If'n we can shoot down their satellites and missiles, then we don't have anything to fear from them and could - in theory - make a first strike without fear of reprisal.

We're still fighting the Cold War.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:07 pm
by MinGator
Cold War, but I thought that we were fighting Global Warming.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:19 pm
by Tipmoose
Agreed, Doc. We should be on the forefront of every major technological weaponry development. We cannot rest on our laurels. Information and access to it is going to be of paramount importance in upcoming wars. We must be able to deny our opponent that information while maintaining it for ourselves.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:53 pm
by radbag
chaaaange.


actually it's not change...it's in lock step with unbanning abortion aid and funding approval for ESCR...i'm not surprised.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:43 pm
by MinGator
Agree w/Doc, it is the cold war all over again. Sticking our heads in the sand will not stop other countries from developing the technology. as the article states many technologies have use in space and otherwise, how do you enforce that?

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:10 pm
by slideman67
The problem is that if we had space based weapons, then everyone will want them and it will set up a new arms race.

Don't bet the farm on this, but I think that in the past, the US has been a signatory of treaties that outlawed space based weapons. That was during the Cold War days. I don't remember any of the details on this.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:24 pm
by bluegrassg8r
There have been active, dedicated space based weapons systems for three decades. They vary in complexity- one system is known as "The Bean Can" and consists of a soup can sized hardened projectile that disables satellites via orbital impact. It's a beautiful weapon- cheap, simple, and deadly.
This policy...it may be simple gesturing by the president, because anyone who subscribes to Jane's knows better.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:33 pm
by annarborgator
I am all about spending money to continuously research and develop weaponry. But I also like the idea of entering a limited ban on the deployment of such weapons, together with a warning to others that we have the technology to do it if we want and if they fuck with us (violating the treaty or in some other material way) then the agreement will be rescinded.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:09 am
by Tipmoose
The problem is that if we had space based weapons, then everyone will want them and it will set up a new arms race.

Don't bet the farm on this, but I think that in the past, the US has been a signatory of treaties that outlawed space based weapons. That was during the Cold War days. I don't remember any of the details on this.
Slider, everyone else wants them ANYWAY. And they're going to develop them ANYWAY. So we should too, otherwise we'll be suckin hind tit in very short order.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:18 am
by MinGator
^^^zactly.

I believe world peace is based on the stability through our strength. Space based weaponry is one component of that. If you leave that area open as a power vacuum, someone will grab for it at some point. No treaty will stop the secret development of these weapons by others.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:21 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
MF'IN WERD.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:40 pm
by bluegrassg8r
And, I hate to point out the obvious to our friends who agree with the current president, but.... some degree of weaponry is an absolute necessary.
Imagine: A 500 billion dollar orbital station without any perimeter protection. That is not only dumb, it risks human lives and scientific advances.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:43 pm
by TheTodd
Does space-based weaponry include space-based defenses or just space-based first-strike type weapons or all of the above?

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:45 pm
by DocZaius
^^ Not sure, but I would imagine it's referring in some ways to all of it.

Obama wants to ban space-based weaponry

Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:03 pm
by TheTodd
That is something I would want to clarify before really forming a decision on if I think this is a bad idea or not. I certainly agree that the US needs to stay in the forefront of military technology and defense but a huge blown out arms race isn't the way to go about it IMO. What happens if we go bankrupt like the USSR did in trying to keep up? It's possible considering the current economic status of the country IMO. The height of the cold war was during some pretty good economic times for this country.