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Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:09 pm
by annarborgator
The first active-duty unit dedicated to supporting U.S. civilian authorities in the event of a nuclear, biological or chemical attack recently wrapped up three days of intensive training its members hope they never have to apply in real life.
Soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team got hands-on training in skills they would depend on to provide humanitarian support during a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive incident, known here as a CBRNE.
The "Rock of the Marne" division, which returned to Fort Stewart, in early spring from its third deployment to Iraq, was designated on Oct. 1 as part of the CBRNE Consequence Management Force. The force includes various military assets assigned to U.S. Northern Command that could be called on to respond to a natural or manmade disaster.
http://www.coastalcourier.com/news/article/10749/
I thought police were supposed to be first responders to emergencies in order to maintain law and order? It's illegal for the military to play law enforcer within the borders of Amerika.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:35 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
I think it's pretty evident that most of your county police/sheriffs departments are not equipped to handle emergencies. It's funny, though, you don't trust them, but your quick to jump to their defense in these situations.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:46 pm
by annarborgator
I'm not defending the police in any way and I agree that they are largely unprepared for catastrophic events. I just read the laws and expect our "leaders" to abide by them.
Trust me, when the time comes I won't be relying on the police or the military for my personal security. I will be relying on myself and a select few individuals I know I can trust. I don't expect our leaders to be able to do much for me or mine.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:48 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
fair enough, and I'm all for self-protection. However, to use a small, properly trained force to respond in a tremendous emergency which it claims their trained for, then I'm fine with that.
Do you have a problem with the national guard responding to assist in other natural disasters (ie hurricanes)?
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:55 pm
by annarborgator
So long as the national guard acts under the authority of a state I have no problem with it providing assistance in natural disasters. Posse Comitatus doesn't apply to the national guard acting under its state authority.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:47 pm
by bluegrassg8r
Interesting. What about an elite military force that supersedes police authority during crises....like SWAT?
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:13 pm
by DocZaius
SWAT teams are just local cops with special training and equipment. They're not military.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:06 pm
by annarborgator
They certainly act like it. And they, without a doubt, have the same blood thirst.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:04 pm
by DocZaius
I don't know about you, but I want my military to have a thirst for blood.
(but not my cops)
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:45 pm
by annarborgator
It's a necessity for the military, IMO. That's why they aren't supposed to be used to enforce laws domestically. Way too dangerous. Agree that cops shouldn't have anywhere near a blood thirst. Too many of them do, though, unfortunately.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:33 pm
by IHateUGAlyDawgs
^^^all of them, right?
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:12 am
by annarborgator
Reading comprehension, buddy.
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:38 am
by DocZaius
This seems on-topic:
In January 2007, a SWAT team in Lima, Ohio, shot and killed Tarika Wilson, a 26-year-old mother, during a drug raid at the home of her boyfriend, Anthony Terry. When the unarmed Wilson was shot, she was kneeling on the ground, complying with police orders. She was holding her 1-year-old son, Sincere, who was also shot, losing his left hand. A subsequent investigation revealed that Officer Joseph Chavalia heard another officer shooting Terry’s two dogs, mistook the noise for hostile gunfire, panicked, and fired blindly into the room where Wilson was kneeling. Chavalia was charged with involuntary manslaughter, but acquitted.
As reckless and violent as the raid was, the police did at least find a substantial supply of illegal drugs inside the house, and Anthony Terry later pleaded guilty to felony drug distribution. A subsequent investigation by the Lima News showed that despite the inherent danger and small margin for error, SWAT raids conducted by the Lima Police Department frequently turned up no drugs or weapons at all. The paper found that in one-third of the 198 raids the SWAT team conducted from 2001 to 2008, no contraband was found.
Similar reviews in other cities have produced similar results: A surprisingly high percentage of raids produce neither drugs nor weapons. And the weapons that are found tend to be small, concealable handguns, with few raids resulting in felony convictions.
A Denver Post investigation found that in 80 percent of no-knock raids conducted in Denver in 1999, police assertions that there would be weapons in the targeted home turned out to be wrong. A separate investigation by the Rocky Mountain News found that of the 146 no-knock warrants served in Denver in 1999, just 49 resulted in criminal charges, and only two resulted in prison time. Media investigations produced similar results after high-profile mistaken raids in New York City in 2003, in Atlanta in 2007, and in Orlando and Palm Beach, Florida, in 1998. When the results of the Denver investigation were revealed, former prosecutor Craig Silverman said, “When you have that violent intrusion on people’s homes with so little results, you have to ask why.”
Lima police apparently aren’t as concerned. When told of the Lima News investigation, police spokesman Kevin Martin said, “That means 68 percent of the time, we’re getting guns or drugs off the street. We’re not looking at it as a win-loss record like a football team does.”
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:59 am
by radbag
was 'deke' the guy who wore his hat backwards and usually occupied the left flank? or was that TJ? or was TJ on a different show with heather locklear? wtf?
Training to be ready to violate Posse Comitatus at a moment's notice
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:27 pm
by annarborgator
No knock raids should be illegal, IMO.