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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/opinion/22lardner.html?pagewanted=2&em




is this change?


it's in the opinion column so take it fwiw...anyhow, this guy holder was behind clinton's pardon of marc rich...a move that was peculiar to many...your thoughts slider?

When President Bill Clinton pardoned a billionaire fugitive from justice on his last day in office, even usually loyal Democrats were dismayed.

Mr. Holder never came close to meeting that standard. He had the last word at Justice on clemency petitions and he saw to it that he had the only word. He brokered one of the most unjustifiable pardons that an American president has ever granted.

Who gives a shit? Every single president pardons people that shouldn't be pardoned. Every. single. one. of. them. I am waiting for one of these clowns to grow just say "fuck you", you did it, sit in jail.

Mark my words - sometime around Christmas of this year, we will see Bush giving pardons to people like Scooter Libby, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Ted Stevens and others. Bush's pardon list will make anything Clinton did look trivial by comparison.

I hope he does. I hope he pardons every single one of em...and every single one of our boys in uniform. If, for no other reason, than it would give all you bleeding heart pussies collective apoplexy.

Wow! Your level of political wit is astounding! Calling me a bleeding heart pussy. I haven't seen that kind of intelliegent political debate since I left Too Hot. Where do you get your collective wit from?

If he does this, then I NEVER want to hear anything about law and order from someone like you.

I wasn't being witty. I was being serious.

You still don't get it slide...I view the far left as parasites who are sucking the life out of this country. People who want to blame us for all the ills in the world and force us to wallow in 'white guilt' for all time. You aren't interested in merit based advancement. All you care about is taking money from those who have it and giving it to those who don't. Nevermind the fact that the people who don't have it...don't have it for a freakin reason.

You are only interested in bankrupting this nation and turning it into yet another Euro-pissant socialist experiment.

You wouldn't know a good use for our military if it walked up and bombed our country. Repeatedly. All you care about is breaking down every single ideal that this nation was founded on, perverting it to some socialist bullshit, and slapping everyone on the hands who dares espouse any support for the traditional values this country was founded on.

So go on...pass your socialist agenda...flush this country one more step towards the septic tank. Its already beyond saving. But let me tell you this. When it DOES go to shit, you're going to look awfully foolish when you suddenly realize that there ARE good uses for guns...and that our military IS important and that maybe we should have actually been far more aggressive in going after the ragheads than we have, rather than trying to pass feel good leftist legislation.

And remember that I Told You So....when your sorry ass is kneeling on your prayer mat twice a day.

OK, the gloves are off now. I tried to be civil but you crossed a line.

You are a fucking idiot! People like you who claim to love America, but who clearly hate Americans. People like you who are so stuck in the authoritarian mindset that you can't think for yourself - you need idiots like Limbaugh and Fox News to do your thinking for you.

You are the one who doesn't get it. You are stuck in mindset of no ideas and think that stupid slogans like "Drill baby, Drill" can substitute for serious political policy.

You have no fucking idea who I am or what I stand for. But its obvious what you stand for - a dead philosophy that hasn't worked in this country. And I might add that you are a fucking coward - all you can do is bitch, yet you don't make any positive effort to change this country. I was involved as a deputy precinct captain, organizing campaign events, and calling voters around the country. What the fuck did you do?

How dare attempt to speak for me or tell me what I believe! You don't even fucking know me, and yet you lump me into some bullshit stereotype that you have.

Let me say one last thing to you - take your opinions of me, and stick them up your ass. They will join your head, which is firmly up there. I want nothing more to do with you. You crossed a line now, one that I hadn't thought we would cross on this board. Go back to Too Hot with the rest of the right wing idiots there - you will fit right in.


To the rest of the people on this board, I apologize. I don't mind people who disagree with me, and I enjoy intelligent political debate and conversation. But I am not going to let some bullshit personal attack like this go unanswered. I have tried to keep things civil on this board, but he crossed a line.

Great idea, Doc.

Oh look. I crossed a line. Oh dear. Whatever shall I do?

Whatever, schnookums. *kiss kiss and all that*.

Do exactly what I told you to do. Or can't you read?

Ok...perhaps you're right and I am out of line here. I don't expect you to accept my apology, never the less, its given and will be given on the grievances board as well.

I apologize for insulting you and for the manner in which I did it. You are correct, I do not know you nor anything about you. I do, however, have some very strongly held beliefs concerning where this country is going and why.

I do not doubt that the two of us have very different backgrounds and perspectives. I would appreciate the chance to discuss these differences.

Lastly, its important to me to maintain the fabric of the BA community. Please consider my apology.


Steve

to be fair slide, you are one of the more vocal here and if i may say so, your tactics are antagonistic to say the least. you seek not to enlighten...you seek to rub your views in and you seek to infuriate. i know this because if you REALLY sought to share and to enlighten us on your views and teachings, you'd not resort to name calling like you have since we started talking politics as evidenced by the many times you've used mcbush and used "dumb president that embarrasses you every time he speaks"...you've got to be honest and you've got to admit, you're not into introducing new ways and methods of approach...i'd be one of the first ones to wanna learn more about the way you think but not under these conditions...not while listening to you compare everything to an "idiot outgoing president"...you can be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE if you'd lay off the hatred...i for one would tune in more to your views if you could manage that....seriously.

so i'm not surprised you reeled one in on your fishing line...was bound to happen...you've had many heated exchanges slider...you've got to acknowledge that don't you? tip is just the most recent one...there've been at least 2 others that i know of.


as i read tips post, i may be wrong but i believe his post was addressing the 'left' and not you specifically...again, i may be wrong...but that's my take...i read it a third time and there seems to be some directed at you personally...but still - not once did he name call...you on the other had called him an 'idiot' and that to me is unacceptable.

we all need to make an effort to try and stop the name calling...this is just getting unproductive...let's keep to discussing stuff without having to resort to calling each other 'idiots' shall we?

Rad, you are correct for the most part. I was speaking about the ultra left, blame america first crowd. However, the last sentence was, indeed, directed at slide himself.

And while Im apologizing, let me say Im sorry to everyone else who's reading this stuff right now. Its a shame that two adults are acting this way on a message board. My fault guys. My fault.

not entirely steve but good form.

First of all, Tip and I have settled things. It's cool. I accepted his apology and offered my own to him. I got angry and went too far, and for that I apologize.

Second, you are right Rad. We should not be conducting ourselves in this manner on this board.

Third, I was stating my opinion, not attempting to insult or anger someone. Prior to this, I had not directed a personal comment at anyone. That is not the point. The point in saying McBush was to emphasize the fact that there was no different between the positions of the two of them. And I do believe that Bush is the worst President that we have ever had. He is an embarrassment - even many Republicans think so as well. I'm staing my opinion. If you disagree fine - everyone has the right to their opinion. I never you were wrong. If I had directed a comment to those people who like him here, then I would be crossing a line. That kind of bullshit happens at Too Hot, not here.

Point being - it is possible to have civil political discussions here. You might want to delete this thread and start over - no sense in dragging it on.

we don't delete threads over here.

OK - just a suggestion.

who love ya slider?

LOL! Back at you man!

After you fags are done kissing each others peckertips, maybe we can get beack to talking about how much liberals love cock.
Just sayin'.

your mother!

After you fags are done kissing each others peckertips, maybe we can get beack to talking about how much liberals love cock.
Just sayin'.

Yeah, just ask Larry Craig and Mark Foley.

Yes, but did they hire Barney's twinks?
Just wondering.
See, we can do that all day. Good for ewe.

Mark my words - sometime around Christmas of this year, we will see Bush giving pardons to people like Scooter Libby, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Ted Stevens and others. Bush's pardon list will make anything Clinton did look trivial by comparison.

I'm holding you to this. In fact, I'll give you until Inauguration Day.

Great idea, Doc.

It helps me identify the crazies.