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i would hope to see someone like varitek, millar, timlin, foulke or youkalis.

Not gonna happen. I will bet you a dinner at Nobu when I am up there that it doesn't happen.

there ya have it dude.

varitek, garciaparra, clemens, damon....all redsox dog.

The question that I'm pondering is that with some of these guys hormones and steroids have extended their careers. In some cases allowing them to get 3 or 4 or more seasons of playing time and being able to get 150 more homeruns or 50 more wins to get them a homerun record or push them over 300 wins. Without the juicing would they have achieved those marks and would they be HOF worthy? How many more HR's would Aaron hit if he was juicing?

The program applied to all minor league players who were not members of the
Players Association bargaining unit (that is, players who were not on the 40-man roster of any
major league club). The Commissioner could impose drug testing unilaterally as to minor league
players because they were not members of the Players Association and thus not parties to a
collective bargaining agreement. The program implemented a system of random urine testing for
prohibited substances, subjecting each player to up to three random tests per year in addition to
any “reasonable cause” testing that might be justified in the case of any player.

The minor league program has continued to the present, with refinements in the
list of prohibited substances, the number of random tests, testing procedures, and the penalties
applicable for failed tests. Although the initial revision of the program was to lower the penalties
that could result from failed drug tests, since August 2005 the penalties for failing a test for use
of a prohibited performance enhancing substance under that program have been the same as
those in place in Major League Baseball, which are discussed in more detail below: a suspension
of 50 games for the first failed test; a suspension of 100 games for the second failed test; and
permanent suspension from baseball for a third failed test.

i would hope to see someone like varitek, millar, timlin, foulke or youkalis.

Not gonna happen. I will bet you a dinner at Nobu when I am up there that it doesn't happen.

there ya have it dude.

varitek, garciaparra, clemens, damon....all redsox dog.

No Varitek, Garciaparra or Damon

Only Clemens who is more known for being a Yankee.

So let's look at it.
YANKEES
Clemens
Pettitte
Kevin Brown
Giambi

RED SOX
Gagne- a washed up closer that probably wouldn't have played again anyway and the Red Sox probably looking for a way to void his contract.



Hater- still think I was overreacting?

If they are guilty then so be it(which I believe they are) but do you see how that can be misconstrued?

Couple that with the fact that Paul Byrd's name leaks 10 hours before game 7 of the Detroit/RS series leading all of the Tigers to spend all afternoon and all evening leading up to the game answering questions about steriods instead of worrying about playing the game.

Yes, I think you are still overreacting a bit. Two of his three primary sources come from the city of New York...color me shocked that there is an NY bias. The only reason there aren't more Braves (though Justice is on there - again probably due to his affiliation with the Yanks, or maybe the Injuns because of David Segui), Dodgers, Diamondbacks, A's, Angels, etc...is because their clubhouse attendants didn't turn state's evidence. It's that simple. What this report tells me more than anything is that it is just the tip of the iceberg and if a Braves or Devil Rays trainer had piped in there'd be a lot more of those names too.

Yes, I think you are still overreacting a bit. Two of his three primary sources come from the city of New York...color me shocked that there is an NY bias. The only reason there aren't more Braves (though Justice is on there - again probably due to his affiliation with the Yanks, or maybe the Injuns because of David Segui), Dodgers, Diamondbacks, A's, Angels, etc...is because their clubhouse attendants didn't turn state's evidence. It's that simple. What this report tells me more than anything is that it is just the tip of the iceberg and if a Braves or Devil Rays trainer had piped in there'd be a lot more of those names too.

Which is why this entire enterprise was ill-conceived from the start. That is not to impugn its findings, but its methods. They should have found a legal means to justify subpoena power, and they should have gone after everyone.

Yes, Hater's point is spot on: get the Yankees' trainer and guess what? You're gonna get Yankees.