Dream On Texas

Toothy · Post by **Toothy** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:51 pm

Sure they're deep. They have plenty of money.

But Meyer didn't go there in 2005. He could have had it. He came to Florida to win. It doesn't look to me like he's tired of winning yet. The time will come when he wants a new challenge and when that comes, he'll probably go to ND.

In the short term, he gets to see what he can do in Tebow's senior season -- and then the job of reloading. What can he achieve post-Harvin, post-Tebow? Where are the next crop of super kids?

One thing I'll say -- if he goes to Notre Dame in six to ten years, watch out. Pretty good job training he's getting in Gainesville. And we're gonna have to recruit against him.

MinGator · Post by **MinGator** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:07 pm

I can see him wanting to retire from ND. But I think he wants to win championships right now. I could see him there in 7 to 10 years though. Hope I'm wrong.

MinGator · Post by **MinGator** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:26 pm

You think he can back down now that he put it out there on national TV? He'd lose a lot of respect from his players imo.

My prediction is he votes Texas #1 and the BCS gives him a pass.
You are probably right.

Rad, you are correct too. You are preaching to the choir my friend.

To continue this thought the following came from a CBS sports article here. http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11239087

Whittingham proclaimed his team No. 1. USC's Pete Carroll had already done that after the Trojans' 38-24 victory in the Rose Bowl against Penn State. Texas coach Mack Brown followed suit, proudly touting his Longhorns as the nation's best after a 24-21 victory over Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl earlier this week.

Whittingham said he would vote his team No. 1 in the Coaches' poll, even though the American Football Coaches Association has agreed to have all its voters place the winner of the BCS national championship game first on their ballots.

Utah did receive one first-place vote in the coaches' poll and finished fourth.

Whittingham isn't worried about losing his vote.

"That's their call," he said. "I have to look out for my players."

Brown said he would vote for his team, too, but Texas was not listed first on any ballots. The Longhorns ended up ranked No. 3 in the coaches' poll, right behind USC.

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:22 pm

ol yellow teeth is a yellow belly.

slideman67 · Post by **slideman67** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:44 pm

I can see him wanting to retire from ND. But I think he wants to win championships right now. I could see him there in 7 to 10 years though. Hope I'm wrong.

I don't know - I don't see it happenning. He himself made that comment that Florida is where you go to win championships. With his two now, I think it can be said that he has exorcised the ghost of Spurrier, and will most likely be considered the greatest coach in UF history - and I mean with with all do respect to SOS. Granted, SOS didn't have the talent that Urban will have, but had we not blown the Fiasco Bowl against Nebraska, he could have had two.

I said it before and will say it again - I think we are 1-2 years from being a permanently reloading program like the type they have at USC. Would you all agree with that?

Given that, why would Urban want to leave?

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:17 pm

I can see him wanting to retire from ND. But I think he wants to win championships right now. I could see him there in 7 to 10 years though. Hope I'm wrong.

I said it before and will say it again - I think we are 1-2 years from being a permanently reloading program like the type they have at USC. Would you all agree with that?

Given that, why would Urban want to leave?

i don't think recruiting is AS important as coaching....both are important but i think recruiting is a close second to coaching.

imo, as it relates to becoming a 'permanently reloading' program, i think a coach's impact and/or impression on a player can negatively affect us MORE than being consistently one of the best recruiting classes...i believe outstanding coaches can turn 2 and 3 star prospects into 4s and 5s with good coaching...on the other side of that spectrum, i believe bad player/coach relations and/or lack of respect of a coach/player can result in diminishing production on both sides...the mindset of a high school stud athlete can be tough to manage if they've been 'THE MAN' their whole life and now find themselves struggling to make the two deeps.

i think coaching can overcome recruiting deficiencies.

slideman67 · Post by **slideman67** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:18 am

I completely agree with you Rad. What I am saying though is that we will have the pick of the litter soon when it comes to HS players. They want to go where you win championships. That's what I'm saying. Fortunately Urban can recruit and coach.

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:33 am

it's the age old argument harv.

you can come to UF and become a piece of the puzzle OR you can go to a lesser program and become a HUGE fish in a lil pond...jevan snead comes to mind...i don't know how high jay cutler or patrick willis were on everyone's recruit list but they turned out alright playing for perennial cellar dwellars in the SEC.

G8rMom7 · Post by **G8rMom7** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:10 am

^^^I agree and I don't think that will ever change...it's a human nature kind of thing...some people like being a piece of a successful "puzzle" and others like being the "star"...I do think Urban does a good job of assessing talent...even with our 3 stars...he seems to pick the rights "puzzle pieces" and every once in a while hits a "star" too (Percy, Tebow, Demps, etc.)

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:20 am

^^^ i too agree...which brings us to the point that having top recruiting classes isn't necessarily the main objective...it's really about picking high schoolers who are coachable...don't get me wrong - having a great recruiting class is great...i just think great recruiting classes are a by-product of great coaching...not the other way around.

i think i might've gone off topic....hehehee.

slideman67 · Post by **slideman67** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:48 am

Good points, Manny and Allison. I had not considered it from that point of view.

It will be nice to know that we will have the option of both types of players! :dance:

MinGator · Post by **MinGator** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:56 am

I guess the benefit of being a championship school is that you can have a better choice of the puzzle pieces regardless of the number of *'s a player is ranked. In other words even if another school recruited all of the right pieces of the puzzle our puzzle > than their puzzle.

G8rMom7 · Post by **G8rMom7** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:14 pm

In reading about Cam Newton it reminds that with QB's its a hard balance. You want a good puzzle piece in case of emergency but you also need a good star to keep up the pace with your winning record. There aren't a lot of QB's that are good "puzzle pieces"...most of them, by nature...are stars (or at least wanna be stars).

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:54 pm

^ and what kind of 'star' wants to sit behind another? sure y'all can compete for the job and sure y'all can hope (not hope but there's no other word for it) an injury puts you on the forefront and sure you can hope for an early leave from school by the incumbent...but why do it when you can 'step right in'

isn't it true that on that day, when tebow decided on us over bama, that 4-5 other QBs all over the country based their decisions as a result?

MinGator · Post by **MinGator** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:22 pm

Exactly why it's good to be able to be first in line to pick out the puzzle pieces.

slideman67 · Post by **slideman67** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:57 pm

Exactly. Now we did get Moody from USC because he was lower on the depth charts. But I still think that we will be in good shape to reload year after year.

At the very least, I think we will get better players than our rivals. Yes, I know that UGly used to get higher recruiting classes than UF did, and we beat them year after year. But like I said, Urban can coach and recruit making him very dangerous to our opponents.