BHO pledges transparency yet has 'secret aides'??? WTF?!?!

IHateUGAlyDawgs · Post by **IHateUGAlyDawgs** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:19 pm

have we ever had an atheist POTUS or VP?

openly? I don't think so.

bluegrassg8r · Post by **bluegrassg8r** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:59 pm

Growing pains, man...his press secretary Plamed one of his Double Secret Briefers. Hopefully, they'll season with time and not make such silly errors.

slideman67 · Post by **slideman67** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:46 pm

I just heard that this secret swearing in thing didn't include a Bible to swear on...not sure if one was needed but more "swearing in" has historically included one. Just wonderin'.

I do not believe that a Bible is necessary. It certainly isn't in the Constitution, and from what I have read online, many of the Founding Father's didn't use one.

As far as atheists in office, I think Jefferson was one. Don't quote me on that, but I have seen quotes from him that weren't exactly positive on the view of religion.

annarborgator · Post by **annarborgator** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:18 pm

Jefferson was far from an atheist, IMO...seems like he had major problems with "the church" as an institution...late in his life he apparently became a Unitarian:

Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian. I rejoice that in this blessed country of free inquiry and belief, which has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor
priests, the genuine doctrine of one only God is reviving, and I trust that there is not a _young man_ now living in the United States
who will not die an Unitarian.

http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/lit/jeff17.htm

DocZaius · Post by **DocZaius** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:39 pm

Several of the Framers were skeptical of organized religion. Some considered themselves Deists - that is, God is akin to a divine clockmaker who created the universe and then let it run its course.

But I don't know of any who were rumored to be atheists.

G8rMom7 · Post by **G8rMom7** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:34 pm

Remember that back then (and still today) organized religion totally runs the country. I know it's one of the reasons my dad is not fond of the Catholic religion...because of how it ran Portugal when he lived there. So I believe that many of the founding fathers were not fans of organized religion...and quite frankly, that's how our whole country got started isn't it? A break from religious oppression? Just a thought.

Tipmoose · Post by **Tipmoose** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:05 pm

I *really* don't see how organized religion runs *anything* in modern America. We are the epitome of "if it feels good, do it'.

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:55 am

let's face it...the only reason the catholic religion continues to get attacked is because catholics are bred to 'believe and not impose on others'

you would NEVER see the government force the muslims to eat pork or some shit like that.

so the govt will soon be forcing catholic hospitals to perform abortions despite their beliefs (and it aint gonna happen so i guess those catholic hospitals'll get shut down causing MORE job loss...go figure) and the government will now require catholic doctors to perform them as well.

WHY? cause catholics don't impose their beliefs on anyone....maybe that's gotta change...for the sake of being able to hold your schools christmas holiday party in december and not having to have a 'winter festival party' in january or not having a halloween party for the grade schoolers because a jehovah witness girl can't participate.

Tipmoose · Post by **Tipmoose** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:20 am

Very very true, Rad. Couldn't have said it better myself.

radbag · Post by **radbag** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:44 am

Very very true, Rad. Couldn't have said it better myself.

even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.